18 Sep 19
@no1marauder saidI'm comparing Trump's morals to that of democrats like YOU who voted for Clinton while pointing a finger at Trump.
"Whataboutism" has never impressed me.
That you can't see how ethically improper it is for the President of the United States to enrich himself at the taxpayer's expense by having public officials, members of the military and others who are his subordinates stay at his properties makes you a very poor judge of anyone's morals.
Trump has done nothing. The contract for the US military to land crafts at that airport was signed by military in the Obama administration.
It had nothing to do with Donald Trump. Stop lying.
18 Sep 19
@earl-of-trumps saidYou are the one who is lying. Claiming that President Trump personally financially benefiting from his subordinates staying at his properties at taxpayer expense has " nothing to do with him" is a most unconvincing one at that.
I'm comparing Trump's morals to that of democrats like YOU who voted for Clinton while pointing a finger at Trump.
Trump has done nothing. The contract for the US military to land crafts at that airport was signed by military in the Obama administration.
It had nothing to do with Donald Trump. Stop lying.
@earl-of-trumps saidFor the record, I voted for Bill Clinton in 1992, but have not voted for a Clinton since. As a NY resident I have ample opportunity to do so but find their politics, particularly HRC's bloodthirsty foreign policy, incompatible with progressive ideals.
I'm comparing Trump's morals to that of democrats like YOU who voted for Clinton while pointing a finger at Trump.
Trump has done nothing. The contract for the US military to land crafts at that airport was signed by military in the Obama administration.
It had nothing to do with Donald Trump. Stop lying.
According to this Politico article based on Defense Department documents grudgingly handed over to the House Oversight Committee, no American servicemen stayed at Trump Turnberry until after the Donald was inaugurated and it has been quite a recipient of taxpayer funds since August 2017:
Since Donald Trump took office, the U.S. military has spent nearly $200,000 at the president’s luxury Scotland resort, according to figures and documents the Pentagon provided to the House Oversight Committee.
The spending, which has all occurred since August 2017, paid for the equivalent of hundreds of nights of rooms at the Turnberry resort over approximately three dozen separate stays, the committee said.
The Air Force confirmed last week that its crews had stayed up to 40 times at Trump’s property since 2015, but it has not provided a breakdown of the number of stays since Trump was elected. The figures provided to the House Oversight Committee suggest the vast majority of stays have occurred since Trump took office, raising concerns among Democrats about a conflict of interest.
POLITICO first reported earlier this month that the Oversight Committee had been probing military spending at Turnberry since April to determine whether the money constituted a violation of the Constitution’s domestic emoluments clause, which prohibits the president from receiving any compensation from the federal government other than his salary.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/18/military-trumps-scottish-resort-1501877
This practice is a clear violation of the Constitution:
7: The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.
US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, paragraph 7 https://constitutionus.com/
So who's "lying", Earl?
@earl-of-trumps saidHeh. Wow.
Yes, nonsense, you hold the position that because Trump is POTUS that he orders the rank and file where to sleep on overnights. BULL CHIPS. That is total nonsense. No POTUS is responsible for military policy on such mundane matters.
The fact that you continue to harp this issue after haven been told repeatedly that Obama was on board when the last contract with th ...[text shortened]... foresee the military trying to end the contract just because some haters with TDS complain about it.
It's quite telling that you just do not see the problem. Utterly blind to it.
You go on about a contract. Like that justifies everything. The contract was not problematic before the Chosen One got into the White House. Now it is. The current Commander-in-Chief (that's your lover boy, by the way) has full authority to end that contract with the military.
And end the contract he should, because the present arrangement violates the Constitution pure and simple. Honoring the Constitution is far and away more important than honoring a contract with an effin' Scottish airport or golfing resort.
If you don't see this, then you evidently rank the scoring of political points on behalf of your lover boy higher than observing the basic tenets of a modern democracy. Well, no surprise there, I guess.
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19 Sep 19
@no1marauder saidthe shytweasel is at it again. Nothing prevents the US govt from doing business with whom they choose.
For the record, I voted for Bill Clinton in 1992, but have not voted for a Clinton since. As a NY resident I have ample opportunity to do so but find their politics, particularly HRC's bloodthirsty foreign policy, incompatible with progressive ideals.
According to this Politico article based on Defense Department documents grudgingly handed over to the House Oversight ...[text shortened]... ution, Article II, Section 1, paragraph 7 https://constitutionus.com/
So who's "lying", Earl?
Do you think the govt should investigate every transaction to see if the pres (any president) holds any stock, or otherwise profits from a transaction?
The fact is Trump doesnt receive a salary for being pres except for $1 as required by law.
Hate on shytweasel!
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1341/take-no-salary/
@mott-the-hoople saidI think the government should follow the Constitution. Why you think it should be exempt from doing so IF a Republican is President is something you'll have to explain. As a reminder:
the shytweasel is at it again. Nothing prevents the US govt from doing business with whom they choose.
Do you think the govt should investigate every transaction to see if the pres (any president) holds any stock, or otherwise profits from a transaction?
The fact is Trump doesnt receive a salary for being pres except for $1 as required by law.
Hate on shytweasel!
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1341/take-no-salary/
7: The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.
US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, paragraph 7 https://constitutionus.com/
Yeah, that does prevent the US government from doing business with "whom they choose".
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19 Sep 19
@no1marauder saidI think we should follow the constitution too. Abolish ACA now. Abolish DACA now. Send all illegals back now.
I think the government should follow the Constitution. Why you think it should be exempt from doing so IF a Republican is President is something you'll have to explain. As a reminder:
7: The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, ...[text shortened]... ionus.com/
Yeah, that does prevent the US government from doing business with "whom they choose".
19 Sep 19
@no1marauder saidWhy don't you try PROVING that No1.
You are the one who is lying. Claiming that President Trump personally financially benefiting from his subordinates staying at his properties at taxpayer expense has " nothing to do with him" is a most unconvincing one at that.
Your lips are moving.. nothing but hot air. I'll accept the truth but my stance has been in here that nobody has shown any evidence that Trump did anything to force USAF personnel to stay at his hotel. They were staying at his hotel before he was POTUS, for gad's sake.
Do you even know what you are talking about?? This surely would be high crimes and misdemeanors *IF TRUE*.
So stop dreaming and prove it.
@no1marauder saidFINALLY! you post something with a little substance to it.
For the record, I voted for Bill Clinton in 1992, but have not voted for a Clinton since. As a NY resident I have ample opportunity to do so but find their politics, particularly HRC's bloodthirsty foreign policy, incompatible with progressive ideals.
According to this Politico article based on Defense Department documents grudgingly handed over to the House Oversight ...[text shortened]... ution, Article II, Section 1, paragraph 7 https://constitutionus.com/
So who's "lying", Earl?
You do realize that you are a long way from being able to point a finger at Trump and calling him guilty.
No1, if POTUS has a lot of stock in Burger King and USAF personnel by cheeseburgers at a local Burger King, did POTUS violate the emoluments clause?
This is absurd.
19 Sep 19
@soothfast saidIf the USAF personnel have full sway as to where to spend their overnights then it is all perfectly above board.
Heh. Wow.
It's quite telling that you just do not see the problem. Utterly blind to it.
You go on about a contract. Like that justifies everything. The contract was not problematic before the Chosen One got into the White House. Now it is. The current Commander-in-Chief (that's your lover boy, by the way) has full authority to end that contract with the m ...[text shortened]... boy higher than observing the basic tenets of a modern democracy. Well, no surprise there, I guess.
Like I said to No1, Trump has properties all over the world. *Eventually*, someone who is employed by the government is going to stay at one of his hotels, unwittingly or otherwise. So what???
Donald Trump has turned control of his assets over to other people while he is president. He claims he has lost about $2 billion because of this.
Compare that to that ROACH, HRC, that did the exact reverse, she made all her money in politics. You look at the $146 million that Putin gave to the Clinton Foundation as "ehhhh, so what?"
Geezus., get real.
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19 Sep 19
@earl-of-trumps saidwhat law prevents an elected official from doing business with the govt. ?
If Donald Trump or Trump enterprises signed a contract with the military to house USAF personnel doing overnights....
NOW you have something.
If the overnights happen by happenstance, you have nothing.
My opinion.
Does this mean if an elected official holds stock in GMC, the govt cannot buy vehicles from GMC?
19 Sep 19
@mott-the-hoople saidExactly.
what law prevents an elected official from doing business with the govt. ?
Does this mean if an elected official holds stock in GMC, the govt cannot buy vehicles from GMC?
With 500+ members of congress, many getting insider trading information and holding stocks in companies expected to blossom on anticipated government contracts, it's a wonder that dems take umbrage to the fact that Trump just *happens* to own a hotel that government employees sometimes use. No contracts! Just people deciding to use his hotel, whether they even know Trump owns it or not.
But that's the way of the swamp.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/19/us-senators-investments-conflict-of-interest
Revealed: how US senators invest in firms they are supposed to regulate
An analysis of personal financial disclosure data as of 16 August has found that 51 senators and their spouses have as much as $96m personally invested in corporate stocks in five key sectors: communications/electronics; defense; energy and natural resources; finance, insurance and real estate; and health.
The majority of these stocks come from public companies, and some are private.
Overall, the senators are invested in 338 companies – including tech firms such as Apple and Microsoft, oil and gas giants including ExxonMobil and Antero Midstream, telecom companies including Verizon, and major defense contractors such as Boeing – in the five sectors as categorized by Sludge.
and... Not only are the senators far wealthier than most of their constituents, but they’re in a prime position to increase their wealth via policymaking.
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Hear that sonhouse?? Now *that's* high crimes and misdemeanors in high places right in front of our noses.
Boeing a DEFENSE supplier????? C'mon!!!
"Trump's hotel made $300K". LOL!!!
19 Sep 19
@earl-of-trumps saidYou believe him?
Donald Trump has turned control of his assets over to other people while he is president. He claims he has lost about $2 billion because of this.
Of course, if he would just release his tax returns like previous presidents have, we could all be sure about the veracity of his claims.
Oh. That's right. He can't release them because he's "being audited." An audit that has lasted for about 4 years and counting...