21 Jun 21
@vivify saidTwo people are born and raised in the exact same poverty.
Remember just a few posts ago when you complained about being called a racist? Keep your mouth closed next time and just accept it.
Helping POC move up in a world where they've been held down doesn't contradict any of King's beliefs.
You claim one should get help due to skin color, the other should not due to skin color.
Who is the racist?
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@vivify said...no matter who it hurts in the process, right?
Remember just a few posts ago when you complained about being called a racist? Keep your mouth closed next time and just accept it.
Helping POC move up in a world where they've been held down doesn't contradict any of King's beliefs.
Just going for clarity. In other words, no matter the steps taken to help POC "move up in a world where they've been held down" (I suppose meaning the planet Earth as a whole), doesn't contradict the Good Reverend's dream?
Because in the whole of humanity's existence, there has never been a single society--not ever--where one group didn't dominate another group. In general, the oppressed always arise, only to become the oppressors. Equality is never attained.
Ever. That said, I suppose your position is, "it's whitey's turn to suffer." That about right?
21 Jun 21
@eladar saidThe implicit claim is that there are no effects of racism in this country whatsoever and thus a white born into poverty faces no more roadblocks than a black does.
Two people are born and raised in the exact same poverty.
You claim one should get help due to skin color, the other should not due to skin color.
Who is the racist?
Is that what you are saying?
21 Jun 21
@no1marauder saidAt this point the white child born into poverty has more roadblocks than the black child.
The implicit claim is that there are no effects of racism in this country whatsoever and thus a white born into poverty faces no more roadblocks than a black does.
Is that what you are saying?
21 Jun 21
@liljo saidIt probably helped among blacks though Democratic Presidential candidates usually get somewhere close to 90% of their vote in recent elections.
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...and blacks voted for him (Obama) at a 95% clip. I'm sure that had nothing to do with the color of his skin...
But Dood and other right wingers claim that just because Obama won means there is no more racism in the US. That is absurd.
@eladar saidComplete and utter BS.
At this point the white child born into poverty has more roadblocks than the black child.
A black who experienced poverty as a child is twice as likely to be poor as an adult as a white who did. In fact, it hardly matters for a black whether they were poor as a child or not. https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/two-american-experiences-racial-divide-poverty
"Audit or paired-tester studies where black and white job applicants present basically the same qualifications in the same way to employers consistently find that the white applicant is much more likely to be offered the job. Among blacks with jobs, researchers consistently find wage disparities also. For example, a recent study from the Urban Institute found that black workers earn 12 percent less than similar white workers in similar jobs."
https://www.epi.org/publication/the_lessons_of_black_poverty/?gclid=CjwKCAjw8cCGBhB6EiwAgORey_r6ZXEcSWwzJOepBEOt8W7HREuTNJ75rNUCdHgt1p0cMHHY8_5iMBoCiNcQAvD_BwE
21 Jun 21
@no1marauder saidYou certainly have the life experience of dealing with the poor to know first hand.
Complete and utter BS.
Yeah, that was sarcasm.
21 Jun 21
@eladar saidNo one said it was but even in a generally favorable economic year like 2019:
The Facts,
US Poverty--41 percent whites and 22 percent black.
Looks like being white is not guarantee of escaping poverty no matter what you like to believe.
"As seen in Figure B, poverty rates for all groups were down, but remained highest among African Americans (18.7%, down 2.0 percentage points), followed by Hispanics (15.7%, down 1.9 percentage points), Asians (7.3%, down 2.8 percentage points), and whites (7.3%, down 0.8 percentage points). African American and Hispanic children continued to face the highest poverty rates—more than one-quarter (25.6% ) of African Americans and more than one-fifth (20.9% ) of Hispanics under age 18 lived below the poverty level in 2019. African American children were more than three times as likely to be in poverty as white children (8.3% )"
https://www.epi.org/blog/racial-disparities-in-income-and-poverty-remain-largely-unchanged-amid-strong-income-growth-in-2019/