Debates
14 Jul 23
@athousandyoung saidSeems fair, probably don't need to read the whole thing, let me guess, more of the same. I don't think the same can be said of AS despite it's 600 pages there's a lot packed in there.
I recommend anyone who can find it to read the brilliant satire by Colin Ferm:
The (highly abridged) Atlas Shrugged
I can't find it online right now in full
This one below only offers four lines. The original post is like a page or two.
https://www.splicetoday.com/pop-culture/the-highly-abridged-i-atlas-shrugged-i
Did Ferm summarise Francisco's money speech too?
The good guys are really good and the bad guys are really bad, they are romantic ideals and it had to be that way for what the book is.
19 Jul 23
@wajoma saidMore amusement can be had by pointing out Galt's Gulch required magical inventions including one that violates the laws of thermodynamics (the motor that runs without fuel) and an invisibility field.
Seems fair, probably don't need to read the whole thing, let me guess, more of the same. I don't think the same can be said of AS despite it's 600 pages there's a lot packed in there.
Did Ferm summarise Francisco's money speech too?
The good guys are really good and the bad guys are really bad, they are romantic ideals and it had to be that way for what the book is.
19 Jul 23
@athousandyoung saidI think you're missing the point but if that's what you get out of it let it hang out man. Some people might look at Van Goghs Starry Night and say they've been looking at the sky a magthy lonnngggg time and they've never seen a sky like that, or that their 10 year old niece could do better.
More amusement can be had by pointing out Galt's Gulch required magical inventions including one that violates the laws of thermodynamics (the motor that runs without fuel) and an invisibility field.
You're one of those people, you're not alone.
19 Jul 23
@athousandyoung saidHow weird, that Thousand defines making money in the literal sense, ...to 'make' the physical bills with a printing press. The post goes no where.
No, the phrase is not only literally incorrect - making money involves government printing presses - but it conceals an important distinction - that between EARNING money and ACQUIRING money.
You assume all acquired money is earned, but it's not.
Francisco was a spoiled brat of an heir of imperialism who used his family's money to monopolize the copper market of ...[text shortened]... r stock." [/quote]
I guess it was ok because he, the CEO, had decided his investors were looters.
19 Jul 23
@averagejoe1 saidIt is disappointing.
How weird, that Thousand defines making money in the literal sense, ...to 'make' the physical bills with a printing press. The post goes no where.
19 Jul 23
@wildgrass saidSorry, have not made myself clear. You say 'there are thousands of laws to benefit others in debt."
What?! There are thousands of laws to benefit other people in debt.
OK, all good. But, there ARE NO LAWS BENEFITTING COLLEGE GRADUATES, LAWS ALLOWING GOVT TO PAY STUDENT LOANS.
Can you please respond at least to that? Don't waste time about the effort to apply the military benefits that has been batted around in the Forum. Because, the SCOTUS says it does NOT apply.
Standing by.
19 Jul 23
@averagejoe1 saidWe went over this in the SCOTUS thread on the topic, and the student loan thread a few weeks before that.
Sorry, have not made myself clear. You say 'there are thousands of laws to benefit others in debt."
OK, all good. But, there ARE NO LAWS BENEFITTING COLLEGE GRADUATES, LAWS ALLOWING GOVT TO PAY STUDENT LOANS.
Can you please respond at least to that? Don't waste time about the effort to apply the military benefits that has been batted around in the Forum. Because, the SCOTUS says it does NOT apply.
Standing by.
Congress passed a law unanimously that gives the education secretary the authority to "waive or modify any statutory or regulatory provision" regarding federal student-loan programs as he or she "deems necessary in connection with a . . . national emergency."
The Courts do not deny this. They wrote "we do not interpret this statute for all it is worth..." and invoke major questions as a rationale. Amy Barrett uses "common sense" which is even more bizarre considering the majority of Americans support it. They know the law would allow this but they just didn't like it.
@sonhouse saidSonhouse, IQs have gone down, probably because coronavirus shut everything down like schools, and it also calls people to have foggy presence of mind, whatever that is. People that have had Covid, possibly have a permanent fogginess and shortness of IQ.. And this happened after Trump. But likely all of your lib friends here will blame it on Trump. Thank you very much.
@Suzianne
And Americans are getting clinically less intelligence, the IQ scores have gone way down since the Trump years which is EXACTLY what Trump and his zombies want, NEVER actually do your own thinking, we will do it for you and you will LOVE IT or else.
19 Jul 23
@wildgrass saidBut the reasoning of the judges is not the point. The point is that at the end of debate, SCOTUS ruled that that law that you keep bringing up is about SOMETHING ELSE!!! Please ..let it go, man. They decided, end of story. You think that non-lawyers like our posters here have any standing to weigh in on the deliberations?????????? What in the hell?
We went over this in the SCOTUS thread on the topic, and the student loan thread a few weeks before that.
Congress passed a law unanimously that gives the education secretary the authority to "waive or modify any statutory or regulatory provision" regarding federal student-loan programs as he or she "deems necessary in connection with a . . . national emergency."
The ...[text shortened]... e majority of Americans support it. They know the law would allow this but they just didn't like it.
19 Jul 23
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@wajoma saidVan Gogh’s Starry Night is a subjective view of a man sitting in an insane asylum hallucinating a village and LSD like effects in the sky. I think YOU are missing the point…unless your point is to emphasize the irrational, delusional and inconsistent with reality content of the artwork in question.
I think you're missing the point but if that's what you get out of it let it hang out man. Some people might look at Van Goghs Starry Night and say they've been looking at the sky a magthy lonnngggg time and they've never seen a sky like that, or that their 10 year old niece could do better.
You're one of those people, you're not alone.
19 Jul 23
@averagejoe1 saidAre you suggesting IQ is not an inherent characteristic but one that is shaped by the quality of education available to people?
Sonhouse, IQs have gone down, probably because coronavirus shut everything down like schools, and it also calls people to have foggy presence of mind, whatever that is. People that have had Covid, possibly have a permanent fogginess and shortness of IQ.. And this happened after Trump. But likely all of your lib friends here will blame it on Trump. Thank you very much.
You should tell the people who quote The Bell Curve about your views.
20 Jul 23
@athousandyoung saidYou are right, I (foolishly) was springing off of SHouse saying 'IQ gone down since Trump". I an thinkig general education, Biden closing schools putting our kids behind.
Are you suggesting IQ is not an inherent characteristic but one that is shaped by the quality of education available to people?
You should tell the people who quote The Bell Curve about your views.