Debates
28 Aug 21
02 Sep 21
@no1marauder saidI dunno about policies, but he's the old who will actually attempt to pay for what he purchases. Democrats have a better track record on that front.
Biden will eventually be judged on his policies, not on the endless character assassination attempts of right wingers.
I support lower taxes, as long as they are commensurate with spending cuts. One without the other is politics that just kicks the can to the next generation.
02 Sep 21
@averagejoe1 saidJoe Biden just inherited an insane budget deficit. Over a trillion bucks. He has to do something.
Jimmy Carter come to mind. And Biden has no policies, historians are not stupid. And anyway, they will be writing about Susan Rice. You fellers have no idea what is going on.
Options? 1) Cut spending. It seems like cutting the items that would be needed to close this gap (military, healthcare) are a non-starter for Republicans. They won't vote for those cuts. A cut to DOE etc. are not even remotely close to what is needed.
2) Raise taxes. The rich are getting much richer off their riches. This is the only viable solution, and it's not a D vs. R issue. Since no one will vote to decrease the massive spending increases instituted under Trump, we have no other option.
02 Sep 21
@wildgrass saidTax the Rich!!! You sound like Suzianne. Totally oblivious to its impact on our economy. Guess I will try to make some points on that in a new thread. Hmmmm, how do I write it where libs can understand,
Joe Biden just inherited an insane budget deficit. Over a trillion bucks. He has to do something.
Options? 1) Cut spending. It seems like cutting the items that would be needed to close this gap (military, healthcare) are a non-starter for Republicans. They won't vote for those cuts. A cut to DOE etc. are not even remotely close to what is needed.
2) Raise taxes. The ...[text shortened]... ill vote to decrease the massive spending increases instituted under Trump, we have no other option.
And another point......You libs keep blaming everything , everything, on Trump. Above you say that Biden inherited an insane budget. Wildgrass, if a Repub becomes president in 2024, what kind of budget do you think HE will inherit from Biden????????? And Wildgrass and the money-minded Suzianne will write..."Tax the Rich" when that happens !!!!!!!!!!!!
Marauder uses roughly a 3.2T figure for the new debt, but it will be almost double that. Just for the record. Hey Wildgrass, that was a question about what kind of budget a Repub president will inherit. Can you tell us please?
@averagejoe1 saidIt's not "tax the rich". It's "pay for what you purchase". Republicans are doing it backwards. Get the budget under control and then the IRS won't need to collect so much darn money off the hard-working taxpayers. I can't predict the future on 2024 but I'll post this again for you. If history repeats, Biden will shrink the Trump deficit by then.
Tax the Rich!!! You sound like Suzianne. Totally oblivious to its impact on our economy. Guess I will try to make some points on that in a new thread. Hmmmm, how do I write it where libs can understand,
And another point......You libs keep blaming everything , everything, on Trump. Above you say that Biden inherited an insane budget. Wildgrass, if a Repub ...[text shortened]... at was a question about what kind of budget a Repub president will inherit. Can you tell us please?
Reagan inherited a deficit of 70 billion and increased it to 175 billion. Bush 41 took it up even higher to 290 billion. Clinton got it to zero. Bush 43 started his presidency with a budget surplus and left office with 1.2 trillion in deficit spending. Obama halved it to 600 billion. Trump got it back to a trillion.
02 Sep 21
@wildgrass saidYou fellers like to bring up past extraneous history. You say those things, not unlike Marauder, but you leave out footnotes showing the reason and basis for such movements. An example would be cost of our being engaged in global conflicts. Then You might say that we should not have been in such conflict, but there are many men in Washington DC who thought otherwise, we have to believe them or you. For me, I will go with the persons that were in the room.
It's not "tax the rich". It's "pay for what you purchase". Republicans are doing it backwards. Get the budget under control and then the IRS won't need to collect so much darn money off the hard-working taxpayers. I can't predict the future on 2024 but I'll post this again for you. If history repeats, Biden will shrink the Trump deficit by then.
Reagan inherited a defici ...[text shortened]... h 1.2 trillion in deficit spending. Obama halved it to 600 billion. Trump got it back to a trillion.
I would think that you liberals should start a thread that is restricted to everything that has happened in the past, and you can chat till the cows come home.
Meanwhile, I would busy myself with keeping up with the hourly news of what in the hell is going on. However, I do find it interesting that you can predict that Biden is going to settle the budget. I think I will start a thread of my own to tell you what the real world is all about. With democratic House and Senate, we will not be able to get rid of Biden, so we have an interesting three years ahead of us, although I think Biden will be gone in several months. That’s when it will start to get more interesting. I hope that Susan Rice, Bidens handler, knows something about the economy, to make your prediction come true.
02 Sep 21
@averagejoe1 saidJoe, now I've gone from dismay to confusion over your position. Please explain.
You fellers like to bring up past extraneous history. You say those things, not unlike Marauder, but you leave out footnotes showing the reason and basis for such movements. An example would be cost of our being engaged in global conflicts. Then You might say that we should not have been in such conflict, but there are many men in Washington DC who thought otherwise, we h ...[text shortened]... at Susan Rice, Bidens handler, knows something about the economy, to make your prediction come true.
If you were interested in which political philosophy was most aligned with deficit reduction, I think it would be prudent to look back at the actual performance of the parties in carrying out this interest. Four GOP presidents in a row have consistently increased deficits by a lot over their terms in office. The two Dem presidents that interceded those 4 GOP presidents each managed to reduce the deficit by a large margin. But maybe you're going on feelings not actual results?
Regarding your footnotes and persons in the room, sure. I would hope that the persons in the room with the elected leaders who promised to rein in government spending and reduce the deficit would ask 'how are we going to pay for this [insert arbitrary footnotes]?"
(aside that Trump's "footnote" was a booming economy, record low unemployment, record low mortgage rates, stock market etc. He STILL INCREASED THE FEDERAL DEFICIT BY $400 BILLION. THAT'S PRE-COVID.
Why are the Republicans the ones who are consistently, reliably, unabashedly blowing through the ceiling of deficit spending every time they're in office? The dumb Democrats have to be the grownups and clean up their mess. If they aren't putting people in the room who care about that issue then I am no longer voting for them.
03 Sep 21
@wildgrass saidI am not a researcher-of-the-internet like liberals are, I am BUSY!!! I am going to assume that all you say is true. We are cool with that, I am being honest, no silly stuff.
Joe, now I've gone from dismay to confusion over your position. Please explain.
If you were interested in which political philosophy was most aligned with deficit reduction, I think it would be prudent to look back at the actual performance of the parties in carrying out this interest. Four GOP presidents in a row have consistently increased deficits by a lot over their ...[text shortened]... hey aren't putting people in the room who care about that issue then I am no longer voting for them.
You can fix blame about George Washington, Bush #1, and so forth....Let's say you appear at congress and PROVE whatever it is that you are trying to prove? Are you with me here? So, what do you envision happens next??? Hell, look at Hiullary, nothing happened to her for god sakes, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN, and if it does, they throw Bush in jail, whatever , so what?>. What is accomplished ???? You libs need to get a grip.
ALL of my posts are about what is going on now, and how a guy who we assume is qualified to be a president, as many of your cohorts have been saying, is doing as president. Whew. So, how is he doing ??????? Please. No more boredom....please.
03 Sep 21
@AverageJoe1
Ah, being BUSY means you can rationalize not having to do actual research on topics that effect minorities.
So you can mewl out 'I am not racist' just like tRUMP but your posts here clearly show you would MUCH rather live on a planet with ONLY whitey.
Yep, going to the trouble of actually learning the history of voter suppression in the past and now again as we speak, or the history of slavery here, you don't WANT to learn about that since that MIGHT cause a flurry of actual empathy for those folks and you can't EVER have that since you might even start thinking of them as human beings just as valuable as you.
Wait, I forgot. NOBODY can be as valuable to the planet as you.
03 Sep 21
@averagejoe1 saidHomework is not a lib thing. You seem to have plenty of time to watch cable news and post long screes on internet message boards.
I am not a researcher-of-the-internet like liberals are, I am BUSY!!! I am going to assume that all you say is true. We are cool with that, I am being honest, no silly stuff.
You can fix blame about George Washington, Bush #1, and so forth....Let's say you appear at congress and PROVE whatever it is that you are trying to prove? Are you with me here? So, what do y ...[text shortened]... ng, is doing as president. Whew. So, how is he doing ??????? Please. No more boredom....please.
It's ok to admit when you're wrong. It's ok.
03 Sep 21
@sonhouse saidYour second para suggests that we could have voter suppression, in the future. I get it, that you think that, and that you study study study it from Breakfast to Dinner. I get all that. I just don't agree. We live in the modern world, there are too many safeguards for such a thing.
@AverageJoe1
Ah, being BUSY means you can rationalize not having to do actual research on topics that effect minorities.
So you can mewl out 'I am not racist' just like tRUMP but your posts here clearly show you would MUCH rather live on a planet with ONLY whitey.
Yep, going to the trouble of actually learning the history of voter suppression in the past and now again a ...[text shortened]... n beings just as valuable as you.
Wait, I forgot. NOBODY can be as valuable to the planet as you.
Slavery???
Anyway, I think you are stretching the future just a bit. And, Sorry you give me short-shrift on minorities. You are quite the seer.
03 Sep 21
@wildgrass saidHere is another lib who likes to get personal, right alongside Sonhouse.
Homework is not a lib thing. You seem to have plenty of time to watch cable news and post long screes on internet message boards.
It's ok to admit when you're wrong. It's ok.
Maybe I am comfortably retired, and being entertained by libs here is no difference than SH76 saying in another thread that he likes to watch other people play ball while sitting on the sofa. NFL, et al. I cannot IMAGINE doing that, . I would much-rather be Doing something, than watching other people, who I don't even know, do something. It is frankly very strange to me. I do play golf, and I do watch the last day of a tournament on TV, but I identify with it, as I actively play the game, . Does a person who watches the NFL play football? No, I didn't think so .So, to each his own.
Wonder what Sonhouse does after he feeds the chickens!?!?!?