@metal-brain saidhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8484817/
No, it is because the article didn't specify what drugs were in the kit. It mentioned 2 we have all heard of, but we don't know those were the only two. I keep asking you what drugs were in the kit and you cannot answer that.
I already posted this link which answers that. Thanks for proving you didn't read it.
You cannot even prove the kits were to blame for failure
See link in the OP, which you not only read, but explicitly reports that the kits failed.
the kit is under scrutiny, not ivermectin.
The Business Insider scrutinizes ivermectin specifically. That's why it also mentions that ivermectin was individually prescribed (and still failed).
21 Feb 22
@metal-brain saidAre seriously saying this now? The same FDA which was shown to you explicitly advising against ivermectin for Covid?
Drugs are sometimes used in combination, but they are tested with that specific combination for FDA approval.
You know what, you're right. Let's go with what the FDA recommends.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/[WORD TOO LONG].
Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19
21 Feb 22
@vivify saidIvermectin was individually prescribed, not the kits. The vaccines have failed too.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8484817/
I already posted this link which answers that. Thanks for proving you didn't read it.
You cannot even prove the kits were to blame for failure
See link in the OP, which you not only read, but explicitly reports that the kits failed.
the kit is under scrutiny, not ivermectin.
The Business Inside ...[text shortened]... ically. That's why it also mentions that ivermectin was individually prescribed (and still failed).
Nitazoxanide was in the kit. Which drugs were taken and not taken? Did they take all 3 drugs and the vitamins? 2 out of the 3? 1 of 3?
Were there any instructions on which drugs to take and when? Is nitazoxanide safe? I have never heard of it. Have you?
21 Feb 22
@vivify saidThat link says this:
Are seriously saying this now? The same FDA which was shown to you explicitly advising against ivermectin for Covid?
You know what, you're right. Let's go with what the FDA recommends.
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/[WORD TOO LONG].
Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19
"Ivermectin tablets are approved by the FDA to treat people with intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis, two conditions caused by parasitic worms. In addition, some topical forms of ivermectin are approved to treat external parasites like head lice and for skin conditions such as rosacea."
That means ivermectin is safe to use for people. It says taking large doses of ivermectin is dangerous, but that is true for anything. Ever hear of oxygen poisoning?
21 Feb 22
@vivify saidHere is an excerpt from your link:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8484817/
I already posted this link which answers that. Thanks for proving you didn't read it.
You cannot even prove the kits were to blame for failure
See link in the OP, which you not only read, but explicitly reports that the kits failed.
the kit is under scrutiny, not ivermectin.
The Business Inside ...[text shortened]... ically. That's why it also mentions that ivermectin was individually prescribed (and still failed).
"Furthermore, hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin can both cause serious cardiac problems, even more so when in combination with each other, which is particularly worrisome in the outpatient setting"
There you go. Your own article proves me right.
@metal-brain saidLike I already said on Page 2 of this thread:
Here is an excerpt from your link:
"Furthermore, hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin can both cause serious cardiac problems, even more so when in combination with each other, which is particularly worrisome in the outpatient setting"
There you go. Your own article proves me right.
"If at the very least, Covid infections were cut down but people had adverse reactions, then you'd have a point. People had adverse reactions *and* Covid."----Vivify
21 Feb 22
@vivify saidYour own article proves me right. It is stupid to take different drugs at the same time unless they are proven to be a safe combination. It was the kit that was the problem, not ivermectin.
Like I already said on Page 2 of this thread:
"If at the very least, Covid infections were cut down but people had adverse reactions, then you'd have a point. People had adverse reactions *and* Covid."----Vivify
21 Feb 22
@metal-brain said"If at the very least, Covid infections were cut down but people had adverse reactions, then you'd have a point. People had adverse reactions *and* Covid."----Vivify
Your own article proves me right. It is stupid to take different drugs at the same time unless they are proven to be a safe combination. It was the kit that was the problem, not ivermectin.
@vivify saidOf course they had adverse reactions. That combination of drugs is not safe. That only confirms I am right. It is the kit, not ivermectin.
"If at the very least, Covid infections were cut down but people had adverse reactions, then you'd have a point. People had adverse reactions *and* Covid."----Vivify
Here is an excerpt from your link...again:
"Furthermore, hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin can both cause serious cardiac problems, even more so when in combination with each other, which is particularly worrisome in the outpatient setting"
That doesn't prove ivermectin is a failure. It proves hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin should not be combined in a kit. It proves the kit was a failure because the kit was never prescribed.
@metal-brain saidThe fact is those people still got Covid. You'd think if ivermectin/HCQ worked, then they wouldn't *also* have Covid. Those drugs were also sold individually (in some cases, for free); that didn't stop Covid either. So you have no point.
Of course they had adverse reactions. That combination of drugs is not safe. That only confirms I am right. It is the kit, not ivermectin.
Here is an excerpt from your link...again:
"Furthermore, hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin can both cause serious cardiac problems, even more so when in combination with each other, which is particularly worrisome in the outpat ...[text shortened]... ould not be combined in a kit. It proves the kit was a failure because the kit was never prescribed.
Furmore: only some people had adverse reactions; if everyone had them, obviously, no one would use the kits. The scores of people who did *not* have adverse reactions still infected by and/or died from Covid in high numbers.
Conclusion: Ivermectin and HCQ are proven failures, whether as part of the kits or sold individually, whether people had adverse reactions or not.
@vivify saidVaccinating people doesn't stop covid either. You have no point.
The fact is those people still got Covid. You'd think if ivermectin/HCQ worked, then they wouldn't *also* have Covid. Those drugs were also sold individually (in some cases, for free); that didn't stop Covid either. So you have no point.
Furmore: only some people had adverse reactions; if everyone had them, obviously, no one would use the kits. The scores of peop ...[text shortened]... s, whether or as part of the kits or sold individually, whether people had adverse reactions or not.
Despite a mask mandate in Michigan cases soared. Does that prove masks do more harm than good?
You need to apply your criteria equally. You are not doing that. You dismiss your own logic with other things and accept it only if it serves your confirmation bias.
https://fee.org/articles/vaccination-rates-not-linked-to-lower-covid-rates-epidemiology-paper-finds/
The gene vaccines are a failure by your own criteria. You don't accept your own logic anymore, do you?
21 Feb 22
@metal-brain saidhttps://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/29519/lengel_michiganders_are_ignoring_mask_advisory_gov_whitmer_we_need_a_mandate
Vaccinating people doesn't stop covid either. You have no point.
Despite a mask mandate in Michigan cases soared. Does that prove masks do more harm than good?
From Michigan governor Gretchen Witmer:
"Encouraging people to wear masks indoors at a time of pandemic despair isn’t working. Many people aren’t listening."
Masks were not mandated. Another point of yours falls flat...and you're from Michigan.
21 Feb 22
@vivify saidOh, so only people in Michigan defy mask mandates? See? You always come up with a lame excuse to dismiss your own logic.
https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/29519/lengel_michiganders_are_ignoring_mask_advisory_gov_whitmer_we_need_a_mandate
From Michigan governor Gretchen Witmer:
"Encouraging people to wear masks indoors at a time of pandemic despair isn’t working. Many people aren’t listening."
Masks were not mandated. Another point of yours falls flat...and you're from Michigan.
I can do that too. People in Brazil defied social distancing recommendations. That is why they had a covid problem. Nothing to do with ivermectin.
What about the gene vaccines. They are a failure. What is your excuse to dismiss your own logic there?
https://news.yahoo.com/why-covid-cases-are-surging-in-states-with-high-vaccination-rates-and-what-it-means-for-the-winter-ahead-204548703.html
21 Feb 22
@vivify saidYou are wrong again.
https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/29519/lengel_michiganders_are_ignoring_mask_advisory_gov_whitmer_we_need_a_mandate
From Michigan governor Gretchen Witmer:
"Encouraging people to wear masks indoors at a time of pandemic despair isn’t working. Many people aren’t listening."
Masks were not mandated. Another point of yours falls flat...and you're from Michigan.
https://michiganadvance.com/2022/02/15/with-all-michigan-counties-dropping-mask-mandates-schools-have-decisions-to-make/
Michigan's mask mandate ended June 22 along with all COVID-related capacity limits on gatherings.
https://www.aarp.org/health/healthy-living/info-2020/states-mask-mandates-coronavirus.html