27 Feb 22
@metal-brain saidhttps://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/
A half BILLION doses have NOT been given in the US. Stop exaggerating.
over 550 million doses in the U.S., more than 10 billion worldwide.
Clearly, "vaccine deaths" are negligible.
27 Feb 22
@metal-brain saidI didn't look up; don't need to. With over 10 billion vaccine doses given worldwide, it would be a major news story if "vaccine deaths" were not negligible.
Where is your source of data for deaths? Is it VAERS or not?
So where's your source? Zero Hedge?
27 Feb 22
@vivify saidIs it VAERS or not?
I didn't look up; don't need to. With over 10 billion vaccine doses given worldwide, it would be a major news story if "vaccine deaths" were not negligible.
So where's your source? Zero Hedge?
How do you know it would be a major news story? The people who own the corporate news media own Pfizer and Moderna stock shares. They have no interest in making something a major news story if it hurts their profits.
If VAERS is not their source, what is their source? I don't know of any other source. Do you?
27 Feb 22
@metal-brain saidVAERS is not a source of data for deaths caused by vaccines as it expressly states:
No, VAERS.
How many deaths have been reported to VAERS?
"A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine."
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html
27 Feb 22
@no1marauder saidI know, so where is the CDC getting their data?
VAERS is not a source of data for deaths caused by vaccines as it expressly states:
"A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to a ...[text shortened]... t judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine."
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html
Simple question.
27 Feb 22
It just occurred to me why MB keeps asking about VAERS.
It was was explained to MB that VAERS simply collects reports about adverse Covid vaccine reactions, whether those reports were verified or not. I'm guessing MB will try to say the CDC is not reliable for using VAERS data. His thinking, naturally, is flawed:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html#:~:text=More%20than%20550%20million%20doses,received%20a%20COVID%2D19%20vaccine.
Even if we assume every report of death from vaccines is accurate, it's still a miniscule 0.0023%. But that's only if we assume they're ALL accurate; chances are the actual number of deaths is even lower than that.
27 Feb 22
@metal-brain saidThe CDC gets data from VAERS and then:
I know, so where is the CDC getting their data?
Simple question.
". CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
Apparently three people have died from the vaccines in the US:
" There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented.
After careful review of the additional data, doctors have decided that there is no evidence at all that the vaccines contributed to the other patient deaths."
https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/
27 Feb 22
@no1marauder saidBut if VAERS data is inaccurate why is the CDC using that data?
The CDC gets data from VAERS and then:
". CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
Apparently three people have died from the vaccines in the US:
" There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clo ...[text shortened]... ent deaths."
https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/
27 Feb 22
@vivify said" I'm guessing MB will try to say the CDC is not reliable for using VAERS data. His thinking, naturally, is flawed"
It just occurred to me why MB keeps asking about VAERS.
It was was explained to MB that VAERS simply collects reports about adverse Covid vaccine reactions, whether those reports were verified or not. I'm guessing MB will try to say the CDC is not reliable for using VAERS data. His thinking, naturally, is flawed:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/saf ...[text shortened]... if we assume they're ALL accurate; chances are the actual number of deaths is even lower than that.
You are trying to have it both ways. Either it is reliable or it is not. Which is it?
@metal-brain saidIt doesn't matter. If every single report received by VAERS turned out to be true, deaths from vaccines would still be a mere 0.0023%.
" I'm guessing MB will try to say the CDC is not reliable for using VAERS data. His thinking, naturally, is flawed"
You are trying to have it both ways. Either it is reliable or it is not. Which is it?
Clearly, "vaccine deaths" are negligible.
@vivify saidWhat is your source of information? I know it is not VAERS.
It doesn't matter. If every single report received by VAERS turned out to be true, deaths from vaccines would still be a mere 0.0023%.
Clearly, "vaccine deaths" are negligible.
https://ussanews.com/[WORD TOO LONG]/
28 Feb 22
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28 Feb 22
@metal-brain saidWrong, as usual.
" I'm guessing MB will try to say the CDC is not reliable for using VAERS data. His thinking, naturally, is flawed"
You are trying to have it both ways. Either it is reliable or it is not. Which is it?
VAERS collects reports of deaths after vaccination. The CDC uses this as a basis to search for deaths because of vaccination. VAERS data is unreliable on its own, because it (intentionally!) over-reports, but can be made reliable by filtering out the coincidences.
Using VAERS data in this way, and not on its own, is reliable; and it is also useful, because it saves the CDC a lot of work.