29 Jul 21
@sh76 saidIf the US could reach the 80+% fully vaccinated, then the masks become a total non-issue.
I really wish the CDC would announce some sort of off-ramp here. Unless the recommendation is going to be to mask for life, what metric has to show what number to make us comfortable that vaccinated people are protected? COVID-zero? Not happening. When there can be no more variants? Impossible to tell. Is the CDC going to recommend masks every time seasonal cases go up?
Until that point, arguments can be made that they’re needed to drop the R-rate to stop the speed of infection.
The bigger issue with the masks and corona measures (like hand washing and social distancing) is that it’s dropped the R-rate in many diseases.
Much less common colds, flu, etc.
This means less costs for insurance companies. Less sick days for employers to contend with.
That lobby group is one to watch. They have a load of benefit by continuing various measures.
29 Jul 21
@eladar saidYes.
@shavixmir
Can people acquire immunity naturally by getting sick and recovering?
29 Jul 21
@shavixmir saidSo if people are getting sick and better everyday and many millions of people have already have immunity naturally, why is it that only getting people jabbed is the solution?
Yes.
More people are gaining immunity everyday both with jabs and without.
29 Jul 21
@eladar saidI’ve explained this 100 times to you.
So if people are getting sick and better everyday and many millions of people have already have immunity naturally, why is it that only getting people jabbed is the solution?
More people are gaining immunity everyday both with jabs and without.
If you don’t comprehend by now, I fear you’re never going to get it.
One last time:
Corona is not a common cold or a flu.
It has the potential (which has clearly been proven) to take down the health system.
If the health system collapses, society collapses.
The rate of transmission has to be slowed. And to a lesser extent, you don’t want hundreds of thousands or millions of people dying either.
So, in the begin you implement measures like working from home, keeping distances, etc. to slow the rate of infection: to manage the crisis.
Now we have vaccines. They replace the measures. And keep people from getting seriously ill (94% effective) or dying.
It speeds up the rate of managing the crisis, keeping people from sickness and death and returning to a more normal situation.
If we didn’t implement measures or vaccines, it would take too long for us to reach those goals. The health system wouldn’t cope. And death rates of all sorts of matters would skyrocket.
The US was slow in implementing measures last year. Just look what happened. If no measures had been taken, what do you think the consequences would have been?
And that’s why we need to jab as many people as possible. Get this over as quickly as possible.
Fewer transmissions with a shorter time being able to pass from one person to another means far fewer mutations to contend with.
Each mutation is a roll of the dice.
And that’s it from me on this matter to you.
If you don’t want to see this picture, the same one every single government on the planet and every single health service is saying, then nothing I can say is going to change that.
29 Jul 21
@shavixmir said"It has the potential (which has clearly been proven) to take down the health system.
I’ve explained this 100 times to you.
If you don’t comprehend by now, I fear you’re never going to get it.
One last time:
Corona is not a common cold or a flu.
It has the potential (which has clearly been proven) to take down the health system.
If the health system collapses, society collapses.
The rate of transmission has to be slowed. And to a lesser extent, you ...[text shortened]... he planet and every single health service is saying, then nothing I can say is going to change that.
If the health system collapses, society collapses."
You are a moron. That has not been proven and even if it was that was then. This is now.
29 Jul 21
@metal-brain said🙄
"It has the potential (which has clearly been proven) to take down the health system.
If the health system collapses, society collapses."
You are a moron. That has not been proven and even if it was that was then. This is now.
29 Jul 21
@shavixmir
Based on the known number of recovered cases in the US, there are about 150 million people in the US with natural immunity by way of recovery.
So these 150 million would need no shot.
29 Jul 21
@shavixmir
Just because you believe something doesn't make it so.
https://fee.org/articles/americans-are-wildly-misinformed-about-the-risk-of-hospitalization-from-covid-19-survey-shows-here-s-why/
Stop spreading misinformation!
30 Jul 21
@metal-brain saidFirst of all, this is called science. Scientists are continually finding new information about the virus. The recommendations will change over time. The vaccines work very well but too many people are not getting vaccinated and so the virus is mutating. Strains more resistant to the vaccines are bound to emerge. You, and other conservatives on this site, are proof that the U.S. has a dismal primary and secondary education system.
They are admitting the vaccines don't prevent the spread of the virus. If they really represented a very small amount of transmission there would be no need to tell vaccinated people to mask up. They are contradicting themselves like they always do.
30 Jul 21
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@phranny saidToo many people are not getting vaccinated? In which country?
First of all, this is called science. Scientists are continually finding new information about the virus. The recommendations will change over time. The vaccines work very well but too many people are not getting vaccinated and so the virus is mutating. Strains more resistant to the vaccines are bound to emerge. You, and other conservatives on this site, are proof that the U.S. has a dismal primary and secondary education system.
BTW, how has it neen proven it is due to not getting vaccinated that causes the variants?
Face it, nobody knows what is going.