@metal-brain saidCircumstantial evidence is real evidence. The opposite of circumstantial is "direct" evidence. Sometimes (often?), it's stronger than "direct" evidence.
Circumstantial evidence is indirect evidence. That means it is NOT iron clad evidence. This is how I know you are not a lawyer. You can lie all you want, but if I create an entire thread called "circumstantial evidence" and I call on sh76 (a real lawyer) to weigh in he will tell you exactly what I said and back it up with actual law.
You are on a weak branch and you ou ...[text shortened]... to admit it yet.
sh76, what is your expert opinion? Can you believe this bluffing from no1 idiot?
The evidence in the OJ Simpson case (except for the confession to Rosey Grier, which was not admissible due to Clergy-Penitent privilege) was all circumstantial, but very strong. Direct evidence is something like an eyewitness or a video or a confession. Blood left at the crime scene, ballistics, footprints, bloody gloves, etc. All circumstantial.
I'm not sure any evidence is really "iron-clad" as even videos can be doctored and witnesses can lie or make mistakes, but there's nothing inherently weaker about circumstantial evidence than direct evidence.
People can be (and often are) sent to prison for life or death row based on circumstantial evidence.
@sh76 said"People can be (and often are) sent to prison for life or death row based on circumstantial evidence"
Circumstantial evidence is real evidence. The opposite of circumstantial is "direct" evidence. Sometimes (often?), it's stronger than "direct" evidence.
The evidence in the OJ Simpson case (except for the confession to Rosey Grier, which was not admissible due to Clergy-Penitent privilege) was all circumstantial, but very strong. Direct evidence is something like an eyewitnes ...[text shortened]... People can be (and often are) sent to prison for life or death row based on circumstantial evidence.
That is irrelevant. We all know a jury considers circumstantial evidence and wrong convictions often result from that circumstantial evidence.
"Sometimes (often?), it's stronger than "direct" evidence."
That is hard for me to believe. Example?
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Here is part of his testimony under oath again:
"There’s not evidence that they were actually exfiltrated. There's circumstantial evidence but no evidence that they were actually exfiltrated."
He testified no evidence.
What part of "no evidence" do you not understand?
Have you embraced the Russiagate conspiracy theory sh?
01 Dec 21
@wildgrass saidClinesmith altered an email from the CIA to the GCO, in which Trump campaign adviser Carter Page was described as a source for the agency, to say he was not a source – which cleared the way for the FBI to request a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant against Page as a “Russian agent” and, through him, the Trump campaign.
Perjury has a very clear definition in the law. It is not "not remembering dates." The 5th amendment exists for a good reason.
Is this the first time you're learning about double standards? Do you believe that the existence of a double standard makes something fake. That's absurd.
A double standard does not make something fake. You are comparing a single individual wh ...[text shortened]... onnected to the Trump campaign were all indicted or plead guilty to criminal activity. Its not fake.
A crime was committed there too, but he got no prison time.
I think you fail to see the law is unequal. People that work for the establishment don't get convicted of crimes as much. Even when they do they often receive pardons for their crimes. Take Caspar Weinberger for example.
There is no justice in the higher echelons of power. They get away with murder and you are condoning it because of your silly partisan bias.
01 Dec 21
@metal-brain saidThe law is unequal. It is not fake.
Clinesmith altered an email from the CIA to the GCO, in which Trump campaign adviser Carter Page was described as a source for the agency, to say he was not a source – which cleared the way for the FBI to request a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant against Page as a “Russian agent” and, through him, the Trump campaign.
A crime was committed there too ...[text shortened]... ns of power. They get away with murder and you are condoning it because of your silly partisan bias.
01 Dec 21
@metal-brain saidNope. This actually happened. Laws were broken. Not fake.
Like I said before, justice is fake.
@wildgrass
I think MH is a Russian asset so he can NEVER admit Russians attacked the DNC.
He spends WAY too much time repeating the Putin/Trump lies that Russia had nothing to do with it, instead, trying to blame the UKRAINE or CHINA, or IRAN, ANYONE but the actual hackers.
BTW, he NEVER denies my charge, just goes, 'you are paranoid'
He ALWAYS has a hidden agenda and he would DIE first before revealing ANY of that.
01 Dec 21
@wildgrass saidClinesmith broke the law too.
Nope. This actually happened. Laws were broken. Not fake.
Why didn't he spend any time behind bars?
01 Dec 21
@metal-brain said===That is hard for me to believe. Example?===
"People can be (and often are) sent to prison for life or death row based on circumstantial evidence"
That is irrelevant. We all know a jury considers circumstantial evidence and wrong convictions often result from that circumstantial evidence.
"Sometimes (often?), it's stronger than "direct" evidence."
That is hard for me to believe. Example?
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Here i ...[text shortened]... part of "no evidence" do you not understand?
Have you embraced the Russiagate conspiracy theory sh?
Ballistics matching the defendant's gun to the slug in the victim or matching the blood or semen at a crime scene to the defendant is extremely strong (circumstantial) evidence - often stronger than eyewitness reports, which are often unreliable.
I am not going into the Russia-Trump thing. I've had enough of it. If you want my over-all opinion about Trump-Russia collusion, I can only summarize it by saying there is a lot of smoke but very little fire.
01 Dec 21
@sh76 saidEyewitness reports are "circumstantial" evidence.
===That is hard for me to believe. Example?===
Ballistics matching the defendant's gun to the slug in the victim or matching the blood or semen at a crime scene to the defendant is extremely strong (circumstantial) evidence - often stronger than eyewitness reports, which are often unreliable.
I am not going into the Russia-Trump thing. I've had enough of it. If you want my ...[text shortened]... mp-Russia collusion, I can only summarize it by saying there is a lot of smoke but very little fire.
@Metal-Brain
Right, ONLY if the witness was DEMOCRAT, if he or she was repub, whatever they said is TOTALLY true.
02 Dec 21
@metal-brain saidI don't know, I'm not a lawyer.
Clinesmith broke the law too.
Why didn't he spend any time behind bars?
For every one person who gets away with a crime, does that make crime fake news?
02 Dec 21
@wildgrass saidYou don't have to be a lawyer to find out. I found out once. The judge gave him the benefit of the doubt and said he believed he didn't intentionally break the law even though he did.
I don't know, I'm not a lawyer.
For every one person who gets away with a crime, does that make crime fake news?
The judge was corrupt. It happens more often than you think. You just condone it when it suits your political bias and condemn it when it doesn't. I'll bet you would scrutinize Trump's pardons as injustice.
Roger Stone was pardoned along with others.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-pardons-roger-stone-paul-manafort-charles-kushner-others-n1252307
Was that justice or fake justice?
"does that make crime fake news?"
I never said fake news. You are intentionally lying about the words I used and this isn't the first time. Stop using straw man arguments to mislead.
@metal-brain saidThe title of this thread is Russia collusion was fake. You agreed with that, and now you are denying it. It was not fake. People from multiple continents went to prison. The people in the US who went to prison were top officials in the Trump campaign, who committed the crimes during the campaign.
You don't have to be a lawyer to find out. I found out once. The judge gave him the benefit of the doubt and said he believed he didn't intentionally break the law even though he did.
The judge was corrupt. It happens more often than you think. You just condone it when it suits your political bias and condemn it when it doesn't. I'll bet you would scrutinize Trump's p ...[text shortened]... ing about the words I used and this isn't the first time. Stop using straw man arguments to mislead.
You can argue that the charges were politically one-sided, but I went through Whitewater too. If a judge reviews the evidence and find them guilty and convicts them, then they are criminals.
02 Dec 21
@wildgrass saidRussia collusion was fake.
The title of this thread is Russia collusion was fake. You agreed with that, and now you are denying it. It was not fake. People from multiple continents went to prison. The people in the US who went to prison were top officials in the Trump campaign, who committed the crimes during the campaign.
You can argue that the charges were politically one-sided, but I went throu ...[text shortened]... too. If a judge reviews the evidence and find them guilty and charges them, then they are criminals.
Nobody proved Trump colluded with Russia.
Top officials in the Trump campaign are not Trump. Every time you imply that is the same thing you are lying. STOP LYING!
You are also assuming it is illegal to talk to Russians. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. The DNC hired Natalya Veselnitskaya to work for them. If Top officials in the Trump campaign colluded with her so did the DNC. Not that she represents the Russian government in an official capacity. If she did that would prove the DNC colluded with a Russian official.
You built a house of cards out of double standards. Dude, wake up.