Originally posted by FreakyKBHNo, you value vengeance far more than he (and I) do. And hate the human race more than most.
I'm sure if your children were without the love and comfort of their mother for the rest of their lives as a result of some ass-wipe three-time offender who decided it was okay to get crap-faced drunk, drive at excessive speeds and blow through red lights as he plowed into your wife's car--- thereby killing her--- you would comfort yourself and your childr ...[text shortened]... life-affirming human being.
Sorry: I value life a hell of a lot more than you do, I guess.
Originally posted by sh76That "history" is just that. Since the 1960s there have been cases where drunk driving were treated as murder and the process greatly accelerated after People v. Watson a 1983 California Supreme Court case which validated that practice.
Historically in the US, killing someone while driving drunk has generally been considered involuntary manslaughter, not second degree murder.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHTrying to ascertain the mental state of fictional Super Beings is always rather difficult; I still can't figure out what Dr. Manhattan was thinking.
Two swings, two misses. The measure of love is response-based--- decidedly not reactionary-based. The justice system is a loose approximation of a more concrete form of reality: God is aggrieved; what does God want?
Originally posted by KazetNagorraDeath as a result of wanton disregard for the lives of others should face the most severe forms of punishment available. Non-injury, non-loss penalties are simply fodder for the dregs of the legal system: the sub-strata class of attorneys.
That's a pretty odd brand of justice. So if for e.g. an employer is not following safety regulations, he should not be fined, but if some deadly accident occurs because regulations were not followed, he should be tried for murder?
Originally posted by no1marauderAnd yet you've seemingly done the "rather difficult." Apparently, you have stumbled upon the best perspective, relative to the subject matter at hand. Pray tell, how did you do such a thing?
Trying to ascertain the mental state of fictional Super Beings is always rather difficult; I still can't figure out what Dr. Manhattan was thinking.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraIsn't it amazing that a poster on these forums has become so famous (or should I say notorious) that he has actually had a country named after him? I think I'd like to have a country named after me too. Teinosukestan? Teinosukerania? Teinosukebaijan? Teinosukenesia? Teinoland? Teinmark?
That's an excellent idea, so employers would have to choose between not being competitive, or risking the lives of their employees and a prison sentence. Wajomastan would be a lovely place, though you'd might have to fence it to stop people from fleeing.
25 Dec 10
Originally posted by FreakyKBHThrough apparently invincible self-confidence.
And yet you've seemingly done the "rather difficult." Apparently, you have stumbled upon the best perspective, relative to the subject matter at hand. Pray tell, how did you do such a thing?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI have no idea what this post is referring to. I have used the reason Nature has endowed to me supplemented by my own efforts to reach what I believe to be the proper perspective, but I have not tried to ascertain what "God wants" as the existence of an anthropomorphic Supreme Being of the sort you believe in is nonsensical.
And yet you've seemingly done the "rather difficult." Apparently, you have stumbled upon the best perspective, relative to the subject matter at hand. Pray tell, how did you do such a thing?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSo people can have a wanton disregard for other people's live, but as long as they're lucky and not actually kill someone that's OK with you ?
Death as a result of wanton disregard for the lives of others should face the most severe forms of punishment available. Non-injury, non-loss penalties are simply fodder for the dregs of the legal system: the sub-strata class of attorneys.
Originally posted by sh76I would say yes---killing 3 makes the killer 3 times worse is than the killer of 1.
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=5946234
Long story short, guy's on parole after a DUI conviction, gets stinking drunk, gets in a car, blows through a red light at 65 MPH and kills 3 people and severely injures a fourth.
Horrible guy? Sure.
Deserves to go to jail for a long time? You bet.
But I don't like the idea of giving hi ...[text shortened]... e my family member who was killed), I don't think he's as bad as an intentional murderer.