01 Oct 21
@shavixmir said"Still" having and the collateral damage is being ignored.
You do know Australia have had multiple extreme lockdowns, don’t you?
01 Oct 21
@shavixmir saidI know 2 people that ended up in hospital overnight and my son was of work for a few days both jabs. My friend that went to hospital, with heart problems and was told 100% vax, and also told " you would not believe how many people we are seeing from this. I also know many with no side effect. To this day I know of no-one that knows anyone that has had covid. Lots of stories but nothing about anyone I know.
🚨🚧moronity of Gop alert🚧🚨
01 Oct 21
@jimmac saidWhat is your source of information.
Studies from Israel show that the long term benefits, of course for the vast majority that survive, from having covid are far better than the vax alone. Though I am reading that both is still best but who knows. I mean who knows not WHO knows, Lol.
Saying it isn't proving it. Prove it!
01 Oct 21
@metal-brain saidI am actually agreeing with you to a fair degree here. What exactly, that you do not already think, that you are wanting me to prove.
What is your source of information.
Saying it isn't proving it. Prove it!
01 Oct 21
@metal-brain said🚨🚧moronity of Gop alert🚧🚨
What is your source of information.
Saying it isn't proving it. Prove it!
@eladar saidThis goes over a lib’s head, to them there is nothing abnormal about spending all of their time being involved in what other people are doing. I would present it that way instead of being involved in their business. Each person they are in contact with simply must be transformed, and must give up some of their stuff. Jesus said 10%, but they think more. Why cant they leave us alone?
Keep your nose out of other people's lives and all of this stuff goes away.
01 Oct 21
@quackquack saidIt's a clear rule, but not necessarily rational.
We disagree. The vaccine is incredibly safe (so much so that's traveling to a vaccination site is literally more dangerous then the vaccine). The vaccine gives more protection than just antibodies and that protection benefits everyone not just the person getting the vaccine.
One size fit all rules are used all the time. There is a age where you can legally drive (even ...[text shortened]... ule is that if you don't get a vaccine you will (and should be) prevented from enter certain locals.
I know it's the extreme example, but giving a healthy 12 year old boy 2 doses of vaccine 6 weeks after he recovered from COVID invites a risk of myocarditis that is greater than the second dose's benefit. Myocarditis is not the same as not having a drink or cigarette.
A pandemic does not excuse the need to cost-benefit analyses, especially when you're talking about mandates.
01 Oct 21
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@sh76 saidA pandemic does not excuse the need to cost-benefit analyses, especially when you're talking about mandates.
It's a clear rule, but not necessarily rational.
I know it's the extreme example, but giving a healthy 12 year old boy 2 doses of vaccine 6 weeks after he recovered from COVID invites a risk of myocarditis that is greater than the second dose's benefit. Myocarditis is not the same as not having a drink or cigarette.
A pandemic does not excuse the need to cost-benefit analyses, especially when you're talking about mandates.
I think this highlights the difficulty in trying a craft a set of rules that will meet everyone's needs. Between the anti-vaxers, and multiple variants of this virus, it's a bit like trying to hit a target that not only moves, but changes speed and direction too.
01 Oct 21
@mchill saidThe true problem lies in big government and big business start viewing citizens as serfs.
A pandemic does not excuse the need to cost-benefit analyses, especially when you're talking about mandates.
I think this highlights the difficulty in trying a craft a set of rules that will meet everyone's needs. Between the anti-vaxers, and multiple variants of this virus, it's a bit like trying to hit a target that not only moves, but changes speed and direction too.
01 Oct 21
@mchill saidI'm not worried about appeasing the anti-vaxxers, but I am very worried about trying to stop people from making rational, fact-based healthcare decisions. Refusing to double-vax a healthy 12 year old who recently recovered from COVID and tests positive for antibodies is quite rational.
A pandemic does not excuse the need to cost-benefit analyses, especially when you're talking about mandates.
I think this highlights the difficulty in trying a craft a set of rules that will meet everyone's needs. Between the anti-vaxers, and multiple variants of this virus, it's a bit like trying to hit a target that not only moves, but changes speed and direction too.
01 Oct 21
@sh76 saidSo you have issues with people making decisions for themselves?
I'm not worried about appeasing the anti-vaxxers, but I am very worried about trying to stop people from making rational, fact-based healthcare decisions. Refusing to double-vax a healthy 12 year old who recently recovered from COVID and tests positive for antibodies is quite rational.
01 Oct 21
@eladar saidWhen some people walk around saying...
So you have issues with people making decisions for themselves?
- COVID is a hoax
- vaccinations are government control
- I'm wearing the armor of God
And then they mingle in society and impact the freedom of everyone else......
And increase the chance of a 5th or 6th wave....
Yes, then I have some issues.
People making their own decisions is one thing.
Making smart decisions is another matter.