01 Oct 21
@mghrn55 saidWho cares what others say?
When some people walk around saying...
- COVID is a hoax
- vaccinations are government control
- I'm wearing the armor of God
And then they mingle in society and impact the freedom of everyone else......
And increase the chance of a 5th or 6th wave....
Yes, then I have some issues.
People making their own decisions is one thing.
Making smart decisions is another matter.
@sh76 saidWell, I guess that is consistent with wanting the US to be more like China.
Of course I do, when those decisions hurt other people. So do you.
Of course, I do agree that restrictions to benefit other people should be narrowly tailored and limit freedom only to the extent necessary.
Fear drives people into the Manor.
01 Oct 21
@sh76 saidWhen a risk is so low that it is negligible that making a decision based on the risk is illogical. You wouldn't consider it rational to home school a healthy twelve year because of the dangers of traveling to school and the risk of myocarditis is probably significantly lower.
It's a clear rule, but not necessarily rational.
I know it's the extreme example, but giving a healthy 12 year old boy 2 doses of vaccine 6 weeks after he recovered from COVID invites a risk of myocarditis that is greater than the second dose's benefit. Myocarditis is not the same as not having a drink or cigarette.
A pandemic does not excuse the need to cost-benefit analyses, especially when you're talking about mandates.
01 Oct 21
@quackquack saidAs is death from Covid.
When a risk is so low that it is negligible that making a decision based on the risk is illogical. You wouldn't consider it rational to home school a healthy twelve year because of the dangers of traveling to school and the risk of myocarditis is probably significantly lower.
@eladar saidNo it isn't. The CDC has confirmed 478 deaths of children from 0-17 years of age from COVID in 2020-21. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
As is death from Covid.
The risk of myocarditis is 37 times higher for children with COVID than with those without it. The risk of developing myocarditis from the vaccines is quite low: In recent months, there has been concern about a small risk of myocarditis after receiving an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. A June study showed among males ages 12-29 years — the group with the highest rates of myocarditis after vaccination — there would be an estimated 39 to 47 cases of myocarditis for every million second doses of vaccine. https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/08/31/covid-myocarditis-risk-children-083121
02 Oct 21
@no1marauder saidOut of how many children?
No it isn't. The CDC has confirmed 478 deaths of children from 0-17 years of age from COVID in 2020-21. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
Give him a percentage number.
I'll bet that is very low percentage and the gene vaccines kill more children than covid does. Government doesn't want to confirm vaccine deaths though. They have no interest in having a verifiable number for that.
02 Oct 21
@no1marauder said"The risk of developing myocarditis from the vaccines is quite low"
No it isn't. The CDC has confirmed 478 deaths of children from 0-17 years of age from COVID in 2020-21. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
The risk of myocarditis is 37 times higher for children with COVID than with those without it. The risk of developing myocarditis from the vaccines is quite low: In recent months, there has been concern about ...[text shortened]... s of vaccine. https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/08/31/covid-myocarditis-risk-children-083121
How do you know? VAERS is not considered confirmed cases of adverse events.
Covid deaths and gene vaccine deaths are not counted equally. Murder suicides are sometimes counted as covid deaths, but no such mistakes are made regarding gene vaccine deaths. Right?
02 Oct 21
@no1marauder saidHow many children have gotten sick?
No it isn't. The CDC has confirmed 478 deaths of children from 0-17 years of age from COVID in 2020-21. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
The risk of myocarditis is 37 times higher for children with COVID than with those without it. The risk of developing myocarditis from the vaccines is quite low: In recent months, there has been concern about ...[text shortened]... s of vaccine. https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/08/31/covid-myocarditis-risk-children-083121
You have no grasp of reality.
02 Oct 21
@no1marauder saidHow do you know covid is the cause of death of all of those children?
The reality is at least 478 kids are dead and many more would be IF public officials followed the insane ideas of you and the other COVID deniers.
@metal-brain said🚨🚧Moronity of Gop alert!🚧🚨
How do you know covid is the cause of death of all of those children?
@no1marauder saidDo you have any idea how many tens-of-millions of kids have died as a direct result of FDA policy of allowing mass advertising of super-addictive corn syrup saturated artificial foods directly to children since 1950? Do you have any idea how many millions of people still die every year from totally preventable diseases? Do you seriously think your government and their corporate masters give a krap about your health?
The reality is at least 478 kids are dead and many more would be IF public officials followed the insane ideas of you and the other COVID deniers.
03 Oct 21
@quackquack saidPossibly the risk from the second dose is lower than the risk from transportation every day to school, but the risk from COVID to a single-vaxxed healthy 12 yo from COVID is even lower than both of them.
When a risk is so low that it is negligible that making a decision based on the risk is illogical. You wouldn't consider it rational to home school a healthy twelve year because of the dangers of traveling to school and the risk of myocarditis is probably significantly lower.
@no1marauder saidTo be relevant, your numbers need to:
No it isn't. The CDC has confirmed 478 deaths of children from 0-17 years of age from COVID in 2020-21. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
The risk of myocarditis is 37 times higher for children with COVID than with those without it. The risk of developing myocarditis from the vaccines is quite low: In recent months, there has been concern about ...[text shortened]... s of vaccine. https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/08/31/covid-myocarditis-risk-children-083121
1. Break down the numbers between healthy and otherwise comorbid children;
2. Break down (on both the myocarditis and COVID risk issues) single vax vs. double vax.
Numbers that conflate categories along either axis are irrelevant to the most important questions.