30 Apr 20
@sonhouse saidDid Trump tell nursing homes they had to admit covid patients into their homes? Did Trump instruct covid positive nurses to go back to work in Nursing homes?
@Eladar
So lets say that is true. Then your god king Trump should be also arrested for murder since he did NOTHING for TWO FUKKING MONTHS after being warned by Who, his own military intel folks, and his medical advisors. THREE different inputs in January with ZERO response so now we have more deaths from C19 than the entire Vietnam war.
And you want to castigate Cuomo?
You are one sick puppy.
30 Apr 20
@earl-of-trumps saidWhat is the reason for the lock down?
Lockdowns are on the state and local level, not federal.
The people one may want to complain about for not calling for lockdowns in January - long before we had our first CV death, are state and local leaders.
If they had bad information to go on, blame China/WHO
To protect the elderly?
What does Cuomo do? Introduces Coronavirus to nursing homes.
30 Apr 20
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@eladar saidtwo weeks ago Cuomo's popularity was 84%
What is the reason for the lock down?
To protect the elderly?
What does Cuomo do? Introduces Coronavirus to nursing homes.
and through it all he still allows the mass transit system to run. Really!?!?
01 May 20
@eladar saidNY needed to clear hospital space for people who were no longer in danger from the virus for those who needed immediate hospitalization; unfortunately, many of those who had to be discharged from the hospitals were elderly and had no place to go but nursing homes - you've never actually made any realistic statement where these thousands of people could have gone. The State put in regulations that should have required the nursing homes to separate the infected population, but many of the homes did not or could not effectively implement them.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/ny-state-let-coronavirus-infected-nurses-work-in-nursing-home/
[i]The state Health Department allowed nurses and other staff who tested positive for the coronavirus to continue treating COVID-19 patients at an upstate nursing home, The Post has learned.
State officials signed off on the move during an April 10 conference call that excluded l ...[text shortened]... d deny elderly suffering from covid 19 from entering a hospital for help. The buck stops with Cuomo.
The idea that this was some deliberate attempt to target the elderly is a ridiculous conspiracy theory made for political reasons.
01 May 20
@no1marauder
There were plenty of beds, they never ran out. There was an empty ship available.
So why not empty one nursing home, quarantine the healthy ones for a week or two in a empty facility, then move them into a different nursing home?
Use one facility for all covid patients.
Seems easy enough and logical. But no, they just sprinkled covid patients among multiple facilities.
@earl-of-trumps saidHow are people supposed to get to their essential jobs if there is no public transportation?
two weeks ago Cuomo's popularity was 84%
and through it all he still allows the mass transit system to run. Really!?!?
There really is no consistent, logical basis for right wing complaints; it is merely oppose anything that those viewed as political enemies do. So on the one hand bitch about the temporary loss of jobs due to measures needed to combat the spread of the virus; on the other, bitch about measures necessary to keep essential workers on the job.
Try coming up with some coherent philosophy, Earl.
01 May 20
@eladar saidThe "empty ship" had space for 150 people and was not supposed to be used for those already out of danger.
@no1marauder
There were plenty of beds, they never ran out. There was an empty ship available.
So why not empty one nursing home, quarantine the healthy ones for a week or two in a empty facility, then move them into a different nursing home?
Use one facility for all covid patients.
Seems easy enough and logical. But no, they just sprinkled covid patients among multiple facilities.
Your after the fact suggestions are unrealistic in a largely privatized health system dealing with a sudden emergency. The State officials did their best with the resources available; even if they erred, this hardly supports your absurd conspiracy theory that they deliberately targeted the elderly population for extermination.
01 May 20
@no1marauder saidThey could have rented out entire hotels for the elderly. They have access to the medical teams from the national guard as well as private organizations to staff. It would be no different than any of the other hospitals built for the Coronavirus.
The "empty ship" had space for 150 people and was not supposed to be used for those already out of danger.
Your after the fact suggestions are unrealistic in a largely privatized health system dealing with a sudden emergency. The State officials did their best with the resources available; even if they erred, this hardly supports your absurd conspiracy theory that they deliberately targeted the elderly population for extermination.
What you never do is intentionally bring covid into nursing homes.
You certainly care for the helpless.
01 May 20
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The post that was quoted here has been removedYou dishonest Pratt I couldn’t help but notice you left this bit out, which given your sudden heartfelt concern for the elderly, was the point of driving your own post down your disingenuous throat. That’s kinda why I emboldened it, idiot.
“If it is simply age, then nothing will stop them from dying soon. If this virus does not get them, something will.
My bold
There you go, your memory is getting as bad as your dark lord’s
01 May 20
@kevcvs57 saidSee, as I said, you are stupid.
You dishonest Pratt I couldn’t help but notice this bit out, which given your sudden heartfelt concern for the elderly, was the point of driving your own post down your disingenuous throat. That’s kinda why I emboldened it, idiot.
“If it is simply age, then nothing will stop them from dying soon. If this virus does not get them, something will.
My bold
There you go, your memory is getting as bad as your dark lord’s
The equivalent to what you are saying is to intentionally make every single person in the world exposed to covid, then let nature take its course.
Did I suggest covid parties for everyone to get the virus?
03 May 20
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@eladar saidThe real facts:
Bump for those who do not know about the issue.
"At the epicenter of the outbreak, New York issued a strict new rule last month: Nursing homes must readmit residents sent to hospitals with the coronavirus and accept new patients as long as they are deemed “medically stable.” California and New Jersey have also said that nursing homes should take in such patients. Homes are allowed to turn patients away if they claim they can’t care for them safely — but administrators say they worry that refusing patients could provoke regulatory scrutiny, and advocates say it could result in a loss of revenue."
"Howard Zucker, the state health commissioner, said that nursing homes needed to readmit positive patients and that “necessary precautions will be taken.”
On Thursday, Mr. Cuomo reiterated that nursing homes had to accept the patients — but only, he clarified, if they could do so safely. Homes unable to comply should transfer them to other facilities or notify the state Health Department, he said.
The department, responding to questions from The Times, said that nursing homes were not permitted to discriminate against Covid-19 patients, but that they should avoid taking patients if not “medically prepared.” Mr. Zucker said on Thursday that he did not know of any homes in that position.
Richard Mollot, executive director of the Long Term Care Community Coalition in New York, an advocacy group for residents, said he had heard of several nursing homes that had declined. But the vast majority, he said, have a “tremendous financial incentive” to take in new patients."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/us/nursing-homes-coronavirus.html
So the real problem wasn't with the State trying to insure that there were sufficient hospital beds for COVID patients who required possibly life saving treatment (rather than have those beds occupied by patients already out of danger) but with private nursing homes who ignored regulations to make a buck.
EDIT: BTW, that's "readmit" meaning those patients had already been living at the nursing homes in question, had presumably caught COVID there and thus their re-admission would not spread it to a facility which hadn't had any cases as Eldy as persistently insisted.