@no1marauder
Yeah, bring the covid virus into the nursing home. If anyone gets covid after this, then it is on Cuomo' s hands.
@eladar saidWhat does the word "readmit" mean, genius?
@no1marauder
Yeah, bring the covid virus into the nursing home. If anyone gets covid after this, then it is on Cuomo' s hands.
@no1marauder saidReintroducing the virus and re-exposing the residents.
What does the word "readmit" mean, genius?
Trump built new hospitals so that these people would not need to be reintroduced.
@eladar saidYou're just lying now.
Reintroducing the virus and re-exposing the residents.
Trump built new hospitals so that these people would not need to be reintroduced.
There were no hospitals built with the intention of taking in people who had sufficiently recovered from the virus to no longer require hospital care. And nursing homes were only supposed to readmit recovering patients IF they could be separated from the other residents of the homes:
"On Thursday, Mr. Cuomo reiterated that nursing homes had to accept the patients — but only, he clarified, if they could do so safely. Homes unable to comply should transfer them to other facilities or notify the state Health Department, he said."
Zucker, the Public Health Commissioner, said the same thing.
So when are you going to admit that you have been deliberately spreading scurrilous disinformation accusing NYS officials of "premeditated murder"?
@no1marauder saidI am lying when I say 20 percent of New York deaths are from nursing homes?
You're just lying now.
There were no hospitals built with the intention of taking in people who had sufficiently recovered from the virus to no longer require hospital care. And nursing homes were only supposed to readmit recovering patients IF they could be separated from the other residents of the homes:
"On Thursday, Mr. Cuomo reiterated that nursing homes had to ...[text shortened]... en deliberately spreading scurrilous disinformation accusing NYS officials of "premeditated murder"?
@eladar saidAbout 30% ( or something like it) of covid deaths in uk are from care homes but it’s not because the nhs sent symptomatics into the homes, it’s because they are full of really old people with underlying health issues. You know? The ones that “nothing will stop them from dying soon. If this virus does not get them, something will.”
I am lying when I say 20 percent of New York deaths are from nursing homes?
This buck stops with Trump, he might as well tie it to the front of his pickup truck and hope the death toll is way down by November.
Bump since Eldy keeps lying about this.
See my posts on the prior page.
EDIT: I'll repost the most direct refutation:
"The real facts:
"At the epicenter of the outbreak, New York issued a strict new rule last month: Nursing homes must readmit residents sent to hospitals with the coronavirus and accept new patients as long as they are deemed “medically stable.” California and New Jersey have also said that nursing homes should take in such patients. Homes are allowed to turn patients away if they claim they can’t care for them safely — but administrators say they worry that refusing patients could provoke regulatory scrutiny, and advocates say it could result in a loss of revenue."
"Howard Zucker, the state health commissioner, said that nursing homes needed to readmit positive patients and that “necessary precautions will be taken.”
On Thursday, Mr. Cuomo reiterated that nursing homes had to accept the patients — but only, he clarified, if they could do so safely. Homes unable to comply should transfer them to other facilities or notify the state Health Department, he said.
The department, responding to questions from The Times, said that nursing homes were not permitted to discriminate against Covid-19 patients, but that they should avoid taking patients if not “medically prepared.” Mr. Zucker said on Thursday that he did not know of any homes in that position.
Richard Mollot, executive director of the Long Term Care Community Coalition in New York, an advocacy group for residents, said he had heard of several nursing homes that had declined. But the vast majority, he said, have a “tremendous financial incentive” to take in new patients."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/us/nursing-homes-coronavirus.html
So the real problem wasn't with the State trying to insure that there were sufficient hospital beds for COVID patients who required possibly life saving treatment (rather than have those beds occupied by patients already out of danger) but with private nursing homes who ignored regulations to make a buck.
EDIT: BTW, that's "readmit" meaning those patients had already been living at the nursing homes in question, had presumably caught COVID there and thus their re-admission would not spread it to a facility which hadn't had any cases as Eldy as persistently insisted."
@no1marauder saidIf they have covid then they should be kept in the hospital and not allowed to infect the healthy elderly in the nursing homes.
Bump since Eldy keeps lying about this.
See my posts on the prior page.
EDIT: I'll repost the most direct refutation:
"The real facts:
"At the epicenter of the outbreak, New York issued a strict new rule last month: Nursing homes must readmit residents sent to hospitals with the coronavirus and accept new patients as long as they are deemed “medically stable.” ...[text shortened]... sion would not spread it to a facility which hadn't had any cases as Eldy as persistently insisted."
There is no excuse for endangering the elderly in Nursing homes.
@eladar saidWhat a cynical hypocrite you are. You support exposing pretty much everyone to COVID by dispensing with all social distancing measures.
If they have covid then they should be kept in the hospital and not allowed to infect the healthy elderly in the nursing homes.
There is no excuse for endangering the elderly in Nursing homes.
IF the policy had been followed by the nursing homes, readmitting recovered patients back to their nursing homes shouldn't have endangered anyone.
@no1marauder saidYou are the hypocrite claiming we need to shut down businesses to save lives, but intentionally introduce covid to nursing homes.
What a cynical hypocrite you are. You support exposing pretty much everyone to COVID by dispensing with all social distancing measures.
IF the policy had been followed by the nursing homes, readmitting recovered patients back to their nursing homes shouldn't have endangered anyone.
@eladar saidHow are you "introducing" COVID to nursing homes by sending back people who caught it there after they recover?
You are the hypocrite claiming we need to shut down businesses to save lives, but intentionally introduce covid to nursing homes.
There's no evidence that any different policy would have changed the result:
"Louisiana barred hospitals for 30 days from sending coronavirus patients to nursing homes with some exceptions. And while Louisiana reported about 1,000 coronavirus-related nursing home deaths, far fewer than New York, that was 40% of Louisiana’s statewide death toll, a higher proportion than in New York."
https://apnews.com/5ebc0ad45b73a899efa81f098330204c
Also in that article:
To be sure, incoming residents weren’t the only possible source of infection. Some homes believe a bigger contribution came from staffers and residents unaware they had the virus. And some say they would have taken on COVID-19 patients regardless of the state’s order.
“There were nursing homes that realized that there was a void,” said Sarah Colomello, a spokeswoman for Thompson House in Rhinebeck. The 100-bed facility set up an isolated unit where affiliated hospitals nearby have sent at least 21 patients. It has reported no deaths.[This is what nursing homes were supposed to do under the policy-no1]
Cuomo administration officials say the original directive came when the governor feared the hospital system would be overwhelmed and was focused on creating as much hospital space as possible.
That was welcomed by one of the many hospital systems and nursing homes surveyed for AP’s count. Northwell Health said three of its medical centers were so overtaxed at one point they had to put some ICU patients in hallways. To relieve pressure, the company eventually sent more than 1,700 COVID-19 patients to nursing homes.
“Suffice it say, our hospitals were under stress,” spokesman Terence Lynam said."
@eladar saidHow is that "introducing" it when they caught it there?
@no1marauder
By putting people with the virus back into the facility.
@no1marauder saidSo you are saying there is a permanent presence of covid in that facility?
How is that "introducing" it when they caught it there?
@eladar saidI'm saying you can't "introduce" something to a place where it already exists.
So you are saying there is a permanent presence of covid in that facility?
Purchase a dictionary if that is sooooooooooooooooo difficult for you to comprehend.