Death penalty for illegal migrants …?

@spruce112358 said
For murder, the strongest reason is simply that he might not have done it.

Better is life in prison without contact with the outside world or with any printed/video material after the date of the murder. The perp is 'dead' to the world - no one ever hears from them, and they never hear anything 'new.'

Just.like.their.victim. Except... reversible if he is later foun ...[text shortened]... innocent.

And that goes for an American citizen killing an asylum seeker, too. Murder is murder.

videoed. I said videoed.

@divegeester said
You must be a liberal voter. Only a liberal would think like this.

Death penalty - 😱😱😱😱

Mental torture for rest of life - ✅

Bhudda on a bike!

You seem to think I am squeamish about the death penalty. Not at all. But, as an adult, I realize our justice system is imperfect with an error rate.

We can't take people, execute them and then just say, "Whoops!" when DNA evidence later shows they were the wrong guy.

As for mental torture, that's alarmist. The perp can talk to others, they can talk to guards - but not anyone outside. They can read, watch movies, but limiting contact to pre-2005 or whenever their crime was.

As I said, justice.

@spruce112358 said
Medieval hermits and anchorites chose that life, to live in contemplation.

I'm talking about justice. If you take away someone's life, why should you go on talking to your family and loved ones? Why should you hear 'the news' as the world continues on? Your victim cannot.

So, you suffer the same fate as your victim. It's fair.

EDIT: There is always a chance "the ...[text shortened]... ightly horrifying. Moral creatures would never allow that possibility, so we take that of the table.

"You" take away someone's life? No, 'The People", as No 1 likes to say, convict and execute the killer. Ridding the society of him. After it is done, I would have no problem talking about it to anyone, especially about his being gone.

@spruce112358 said
You seem to think I am squeamish about the death penalty. Not at all. But, as an adult, I realize our justice system is imperfect with an error rate.

We can't take people, execute them and then just say, "Whoops!" when DNA evidence later shows they were the wrong guy.

As for mental torture, that's alarmist. The perp can talk to others, they can talk to guards - but ...[text shortened]... , watch movies, but limiting contact to pre-2005 or whenever their crime was.

As I said, justice.

My being opposed to your preference of locking someone up with no visitors and no context with outside world and calling it mental torture is “alarmist”? Don’t be ridiculous.

@shavixmir said
I would. But I wouldn’t want the government having that power. So, even though I wpuld want that murderer dead, the government cannot do that.
And in reality there is never 100% proof.

However, this discussion isn’t actually about a death penalty. It’s about one set of punishment for citizens and a seperate set of punishment for immigrants.

What do you think about that?

you left out “ illegal” immigrant

@divegeester said
My being opposed to your preference of locking someone up with no visitors and no context with outside world and calling it mental torture is “alarmist”? Don’t be ridiculous.

If someone sees living under a just punishment for what they did as 'mental torture' and prefers death, that is up to them. There is no need for the state to make that decision for them.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
you left out “ illegal” immigrant

It doesn’t matter.

Should there be one of punishments for group A and one set of punishments for group b within a society?

@AverageJoe1 said
videoed. I said videoed.

Yeah, I’ve got a video of a cat flying a car.

There are videos of JD Vance fvcking a couch and trump being pissed on.

I wouldn’t rely too much on videos, no matter how often you repeat it.

@shavixmir said
It doesn’t matter.

Should there be one of punishments for group A and one set of punishments for group b within a society?

No. The 'punishment' as you call it is set out in the Code of the law, for any and all violations of a law. (Any one) running a stop sign gets the same treatment. Same for murder.
Some if someone who smuggles himself into the USA illegally commits a crime, misdemeanor or felony, who will be sentenced according to the code. So if he runs a stop sign, he will pay $100, so would my son. If he kills someone, he, as well as my son, could get the worst penalty. First, he would have been sentenced for having broken our border.

Your post is further evidence of your penchant for 'groups' of people. (.e.e, Group A, Group B) Mobs, groups, whatever you want to call them. What about individuals? Are individuals recognized among your entities?
All lawbreakers are treated equally.

@AverageJoe1 said
No. The 'punishment' as you call it is set out in the Code of the law, for any and all violations of a law. (Any one) running a stop sign gets the same treatment. Same for murder.
Some if someone who smuggles himself into the USA illegally commits a crime, misdemeanor or felony, who will be sentenced according to the code. So if he runs a stop sign, he will pay $1 ...[text shortened]... ividuals? Are individuals recognized among your entities?
All lawbreakers are treated equally.

What the hell are you jibbering on about?

The thread is about giving immigrants a different punishment for a crime than non immigrants.

I have not given my opinion on the matter.

@shavixmir said
What the hell are you jibbering on about?

The thread is about giving immigrants a different punishment for a crime than non immigrants.

I have not given my opinion on the matter.

Well what did Ask about? This country has a suspect in front of them for whatever reason, answering for some infraction against society.
Are you suggesting that they are treated differently depending on ....what? If they are here illegally or not?
Can you write a legible question? Or if you did ask one, my aplologies, as I have a hard time with glib stuff. What are you writing about?

@spruce112358 said
If someone sees living under a just punishment for what they did as 'mental torture' and prefers death, that is up to them. There is no need for the state to make that decision for them.

Putting some in solitary confinement with no access to family or friends for life is horrendous torture.

You should ashamed to even suggest it.

@divegeester said
Putting some in solitary confinement with no access to family or friends for life is horrendous torture.

You should ashamed to even suggest it.

Then they shouldn't kill others.

The victim has lost access to friends and family for life. So should the perp.

I'm not ashamed to suggest it. I'm extremely proud of suggesting the fairest, most optimal solution.

@spruce112358 said
Then they shouldn't kill others.

The victim has lost access to friends and family for life. So should the perp.

I'm not ashamed to suggest it. I'm extremely proud of suggesting the fairest, most optimal solution.

I’m objecting to your abusive lifetime punishment … and you’re the liberal! 😂

@divegeester said
I’m objecting to your abusive lifetime punishment … and you’re the liberal! 😂

Funny how we switched hats there! Cheers! 😆