DEI - Goodbye! (at Florida U)

@no1marauder said
They aren't being "impartial" by ignoring the real effects of systemic racism on individuals of certain "races" in the United States; they are being forced to cater to those who favor the results of that racism.

Not all people of a particular race have experienced 'systemic racism' so there's no moral case for treating all people of a particular race as victims, and as if they're handicapped.

@wajoma said
Not all people of a particular race have experienced 'systemic racism' so there's no moral case for treating all people of a particular race as victims, and as if they're handicapped.

So your "solution" is to pretend that there are no effects at all of systemic racism leaving a situation where " individuals from minorities will have less economic opportunities and that injustice will be worse the higher the level of irrational bigotry, prejudice and racism that exists in society."

https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/racial-jungle-joe-biden.198742/page-6

Correct?

That is quite apart, though related to, the fact that diversifying a school population is beneficial to students of ALL "races" according to the studies.

@cliff-mashburn said
DEI/Woke "Cancel Culture" has become tyrannical and needs to be seen for what it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4v1cb04vB4

How dare we refuse to defend your racism.

@averagejoe1 said
I have seen videos of them being pulled over. They start screaming at the cops instead of following directions of cops. "I didn't do nuthin"..They are almost always at fault, whose car is this, whatever, just borrowed it, always wearing a white sleeveless T-shirt, the works. So, they build up the screaming, have to get out of car, and at that point chance just about an ...[text shortened]... e feller. And they always have drugs, they always have some weapon in the car. "It's my brother's'.

For the extremely slow ones, THIS is "white privilege".

@wildgrass said
There was a huge push to get DEI training, hire DEI, and big dollar investments in new divisions focused on dei in companies, and there was no benefit. That's why colleges are getting rid of the programs.

No benefit to white people. You know, except to make them aware of what has been happening to minorities for generations in this country.

THAT is why the programs are disappearing. White pushback against society pushing back against white racism.

@mott-the-hoople said
we’ll explain why it is “B

do you want your heart surgeon to be in the room because he is a certain color?

Typical redneck response to objection of his own racist behavior.

The right answer: "No, but YOU do. YOU want him to be there solely because he is white."

@wajoma said
It is unfortunate that the University of Florida has to deprive its students of educational benefits based on the ideological preferences of being impartial to race.

Go on, pull the other one.

@no1marauder said
So your "solution" is to pretend that there are no effects at all of systemic racism leaving a situation where " individuals from minorities will have less economic opportunities and that injustice will be worse the higher the level of irrational bigotry, prejudice and racism that exists in society."

https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/racial-jungle-joe-biden.1987 ...[text shortened]... diversifying a school population is beneficial to students of ALL "races" according to the studies.

My "solution" is to find out who was racist to who and how, then deal with it on an individual basis because as a race not everyone has been discriminated against, nor is there another race consisting of 100% discriminaters.

You wish to attach 'systemic' to the word racism as a cover for your own racism, i.e. assigning victimhood on the basis of race and therefore those not of that race are guilty of racism. I can't really be bothered going over this same ground again.

Not all persons of a particular race have been victims of racism, therefore any attempt at addressing issues of racism cannot be corrected by more racism.

@wajoma said
My "solution" is to find out who was racist to who and how, then deal with it on an individual basis because as a race not everyone has been discriminated against, nor is there another race consisting of 100% discriminaters.

You wish to attach 'systemic' to the word racism as a cover for your own racism, i.e. assigning victimhood on the basis of race and therefore those not ...[text shortened]... of racism, therefore any attempt at addressing issues of racism cannot be corrected by more racism.

You still don't even know what the word means.

In practice, your "solution" is to do nothing and to allow rampant discrimination to exist to the detriment of individuals who belong to minorities. Stop pretending otherwise; you've openly said businesses and other institutions should be allowed to put up "No Blacks welcome" or otherwise blatantly discriminate.

You're being a complete phony to pretend you have any desire to "deal with" any type of discrimination.

@no1marauder said
You still don't even know what the word means.

In practice, your "solution" is to do nothing and to allow rampant discrimination to exist to the detriment of individuals who belong to minorities. Stop pretending otherwise; you've openly said businesses and other institutions should be allowed to put up "No Blacks welcome" or otherwise blatantly discriminate.

You're being a complete phony to pretend you have any desire to "deal with" any type of discrimination.

What, where, who, how?

You wish to abandon these crucial prerequisites in assessing a victim and a perpetrator.

Can't be done, not possible and puts you in the awkward racist spot you find yourself in, where you judge people by their skin colour rather than who they are and what they've experienced.

You know what that makes you No1?

@suzianne said
For the extremely slow ones, THIS is "white privilege".

Let me explain so that even YOU will understand, Suzi.

It is a white person's RIGHT not to be screwed over by the police, not a f'n privilege. If the police screw over African Americans, that is a crime. See the difference??

You don't think, Suzi, you simply parrot what the big D's tell you to say.

BTW, white people sometimes *do* get screwed over by the police. You racist.

@wajoma said
What, where, who, how?

You wish to abandon these crucial prerequisites in assessing a victim and a perpetrator.

Can't be done, not possible and puts you in the awkward racist spot you find yourself in, where you judge people by their skin colour rather than who they are and what they've experienced.

You know what that makes you No1?

By "can't be done" you mean "you don't want anything to be done".

Victims and perpetrators are relevant to the criminal law, not to assessing the effect of systemic racism and discrimination against individuals of minority groups.

And stop being a phony; you are perfectly OK with outright discrimination and don't want any measures taken to correct it. You could at least be honest and admit that.

And again, you don't know what the word "racist" means or are deliberately using it in a dishonest manner.

@wajoma said
It is unfortunate that the University of Florida has to deprive its students of educational benefits based on the ideological preferences of being impartial to race.

I think you mean "pretending to being impartial to race" while engaging in practices that disfavor individuals of minority groups. This can be a result of blatantly racist actions or because of stereotyping or simply being oblivious to the actual reality of endemic discrimination.

@wajoma said
What, where, who, how?

You wish to abandon these crucial prerequisites in assessing a victim and a perpetrator.

Can't be done, not possible and puts you in the awkward racist spot you find yourself in, where you judge people by their skin colour rather than who they are and what they've experienced.

You know what that makes you No1?

You dodged this in January but maybe you'd have the courage to respond to it now:

"To be clear, before we get to your assertions that it is impossible to precisely identify those individuals who are victims of discrimination, you deny the legitimate power of society to step in if and when:

An employer posts a sign saying "No Blacks Need Apply"

A business posts a sign saying "No Blacks allowed"

A hotel posts a sign saying "Blacks cannot stay here".

Correct?"

@no1marauder said
By "can't be done" you mean "you don't want anything to be done".

Victims and perpetrators are relevant to the criminal law, not to assessing the effect of systemic racism and discrimination against individuals of minority groups.

And stop being a phony; you are perfectly OK with outright discrimination and don't want any measures taken to correct it. You could at ...[text shortened]... ain, you don't know what the word "racist" means or are deliberately using it in a dishonest manner.

By 'can't be done', I mean it can't be done on the basis that everyone of a particular race has been effected or suffered or whatever so you can't address any issues solely on the basis of race. You want to do something by treating all persons of a race as victims, it's condescending, it's patronising but hey, that's your problem.

Racism: Can't discriminate for someone without discriminating against someone else. So treating people differently based on their race is racism. There's no other possible definition.

I accept that outright discrimination occurs whether there are laws against it or not, 90 percent of the employees in Chinese takeaways are chinese, you want to force a quota on them good luck with that.

You're the phony with 'you are perfectly Ok with outright discrimination' I think it's stupid and irrational but if someone doesn't want to employ me or serve me because of my race it's better to know up front, saves wasting everyones time.

Yes a bar or restaurant or Co. should be able to advertise 'No whites allowed here' I think it would occur a lot less than you think, I'd say it would probably occur about at about the same level it does now, except with the sign at least everyone would know which place to avoid.

Not hiding, not dodging. Said it before a number of times.