@techsouth saidWell you have to work with what you have, don't you?
A coup generally involves large quantities of military equipment, assassinations, and/or traitorous military officers.
If you are trying to pressure congress to initiate an investigation, which could hypothetically result in you being president if those investigations found sufficient evidence that you rightfully won the election, that is nothing at all like a coup.
Since the US military wasn't going to overturn a Presidential election just because the President is a sore loser, Trump had to turn to other means. The idea that he just wanted some impartial investigation of legitimate fraud claims is laughable as I'm sure you know. Many such investigations had already been done in the States and his own advisors repeatedly told him there was no evidence of widespread fraud.
Letting loose a mob on Congress on January 6, 2021 wasn't a very likely tactic to succeed, but at that point it was pretty much all he had left since Mike Pence wouldn't violate the Constitution for him. Thus, he had to sic the mob on him as he did by his tweet at 2:24 that day, AFTER he observed that mob attacking police to gain access to the Capitol. To wit:
"“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!” Id. at ¶ 170.
¶216 "This tweet was read over a bullhorn to the crowd at the Capitol, and
produced further violence, necessitating the evacuation of Vice President Pence
from his Senate office to a more secure location to ensure his physical safety."
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdf at P. 13
@AverageJoe1
Well what about Gore V Bush? It was SCOTUS who decided that election. In repub favor.
So the gist of your bitch is since your god king is above the law, don't pursue any of that pesky insurrection stuff, let the people decide they want an authoritarian dictator and end democracy.
I guess that sums it up.
Techsouth goes 'a coup involved military and therefore that misunderstood Trump was not trying to overthrow the government, he just wanted to correct the obvious vote rigging in dems favor.
Funny how it almost succeeded in spite of the fact no military might was involved.
Kind of like how Hitler won, kind of like how Mussolini won. Techsouth is really desperate in his zeal to kill democracy.
You magites don't give a rats ass what Trump says, Media is the enemy of the people. Sound familiar? Immigrants poisoning the blood of our people, I think we have heard this BS before.
You best believe this dictator in training, Trump does not say stuff he doesn't mean.
Like invoking the insurrection act on day one to use the military to quell protests.
Funny, I would have sworn there was something about freedom of assembly in the constitution.
Or banning Muslins from entering the country.
Or restarting the bit of ripping babies from moms arms on the border and maybe put TEN thousand kids in cages this time.
Or making Rudy ATTORNEY GENERAL. "I only hire the BEST people'
or pardoning all of the insurrectionists of Jan 6.
Or pulling out of NATO, which would have Putin dancing in the street.
So repubs better think hard and really understand exactly what he has said and he is not joking.
The bottom line is Magites are WAY too programmed to even THINK about just what Trump has done in his zeal to win power again and he WILL try to make it permanent if he can, he already said he wants to greatly increase the powers of POTUS, so he can overturn SCOTUS and the like.
It is really sick how congressmen were scared shyteless on Jan 6, running for their lives but a week later, some 140 house members voted down anything resembling assigning responsibility to Trump.
We Dems remember that kind of thing.
@no1marauder saidThose are just words which is protected free speech. He said to protest peacefully, not to overthrow the government. He specifically tweeted to be non violent during that protest.
Well you have to work with what you have, don't you?
Since the US military wasn't going to overturn a Presidential election just because the President is a sore loser, Trump had to turn to other means. The idea that he just wanted some impartial investigation of legitimate fraud claims is laughable as I'm sure you know. Many such investigations had already been done i ...[text shortened]... ourts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Opinions/2023/23SA300.pdf at P. 13
An insurrection is violent. Trump did not call for an insurrection because it fails the definition. He said to protest peacefully before the protest. Then he tweeted to them to not be violent.
@Metal-Brain
You continue to puke that sentence he said BECAUSE he knew good and well he needed 'deniable plausibility', look it up if you don't understand but I think you understand exactly and just try to make us THINK you are on that side of the debate when in fact all you are doing is trying to make sure in your own inept way Trump gets reelected which is what your boss Putin want's in the worse way.
Putin WANT'S to drive a nail in our alliance with Europe and will be dancing in the street if Trump gets in again and kills our alliance with NATO and you know that full well, you fool nobody comrade.
@Earl-of-Trumps
Yeah, so you could give a rats ass how many people die because of Putin wanting his old Soviet empire back. After he decimates Ukraine, Moldova will be next and then Poland and another few hundred thousands will die and you don't give a rats ass.
You should be ashamed of yourself for spouting pro Putin crap.
I have a suggestion, MOVE TO FUKKING MOSCOW and you will have a hero's welcome just like Steven Seagal.
@metal-brain saidNo, he tweeted pretending they were being peaceful when he could see they weren't.
Those are just words which is protected free speech. He said to protest peacefully, not to overthrow the government. He specifically tweeted to be non violent during that protest.
An insurrection is violent. Trump did not call for an insurrection because it fails the definition. He said to protest peacefully before the protest. Then he tweeted to them to not be violent.
He lied, like he always does. He also tweeted while they were attacking police a tweet targeting Mike Pence that immediately provoked more violence.
He also resisted doing anything to stop the violence and criticized those who were advising him to do so.
He knew exactly what he was doing even if gullible dupes like yourself want to pretend otherwise.
@sonhouse saidDid Putin say he wanted the old Soviet empire back? Ever?
@Earl-of-Trumps
Yeah, so you could give a rats ass how many people die because of Putin wanting his old Soviet empire back. After he decimates Ukraine, Moldova will be next and then Poland and another few hundred thousands will die and you don't give a rats ass.
You should be ashamed of yourself for spouting pro Putin crap.
I have a suggestion, MOVE TO FUKKING MOSCOW and you will have a hero's welcome just like Steven Seagal.
@no1marauder said"No, he tweeted pretending they were being peaceful when he could see they weren't."
No, he tweeted pretending they were being peaceful when he could see they weren't.
He lied, like he always does. He also tweeted while they were attacking police a tweet targeting Mike Pence that immediately provoked more violence.
He also resisted doing anything to stop the violence and criticized those who were advising him to do so.
He knew exactly what he was doing even if gullible dupes like yourself want to pretend otherwise.
That is not true. He never tweeted that. You are lying, not Trump.
"He also resisted doing anything to stop the violence and criticized those who were advising him to do so."
What is your source of information?
@metal-brain saidYou are a massive hypocrite. The same article you use to describe the Massachusetts Democratic Party not submitting Williamson's name for the primary ballot points out that the Massachusetts Republican Party did the same thing in 2020 regarding an opponent to the incumbent President even though that opponent had been Governor of Massachusetts! Yet, you never raved and ranted at the time about the Republicans "turning on democracy" did you?
@sonhouse
So you admit Trump never called for an insurrection.
How can he be guilty of insurrection when he never called for one?
And why did the democrats keep Williamson off the Primary ballot? Is she as bad as Trump now?
In truth, Williamson has other options to get on the ballot i.e. by collecting signatures and/or by petitioning the Massachusetts Secretary of State and will probably be on it despite your hypocritical, newfound criticism of political parties not aiding challengers to incumbents (but only if it is the Democratic Party).
@metal-brain saidOh, shut up. We've been over this BS dozens of times.
"No, he tweeted pretending they were being peaceful when he could see they weren't."
That is not true. He never tweeted that. You are lying, not Trump.
"He also resisted doing anything to stop the violence and criticized those who were advising him to do so."
What is your source of information?
You're a constant purveyor of lies.
See Trump's tweets at 2:38 and 3:13 - "Stay peaceful" and "Remain peaceful".
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-6-2021
"The committee played video clips of news coverage from Fox News, to show what Trump watched in real time as he tuned in from his dining room, just off from the Oval Office. He watched as his supporters, donning red caps and chanting his name, overwhelmed and outnumbered police as they flooded the Capitol grounds and attempted to breach the Capitol."
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/22/1112323797/jan-6-hearing-recap-187-minutes
@no1marauder said"No, he tweeted pretending they were being peaceful when he could see they weren't."
Oh, shut up. We've been over this BS dozens of times.
You're a constant purveyor of lies.
See Trump's tweets at 2:38 and 3:13 - "Stay peaceful" and "Remain peaceful".
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-6-2021
That is not true. He never tweeted that. You are lying, not Trump. And we have not been over this before.
January 6, 2021
19:38:58 Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!
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January 6, 2021
20:13:26 I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!
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He said no violence. That is not an insurrection. You are applying the word incorrectly. There is no such thing as a non violent insurrection.
@metal-brain saidI just directed you to the tweets, you pathetic moron.
"No, he tweeted pretending they were being peaceful when he could see they weren't."
That is not true. He never tweeted that. You are lying, not Trump. And we have not been over this before.
January 6, 2021
19:38:58 Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!
Retweets: 107460
Favorites: 582183 ...[text shortened]... ection. You are applying the word incorrectly. There is no such thing as a non violent insurrection.
He tweeted "stay peaceful" and "remain peaceful" when he could see they were being violent.
You lying about it doesn't change those facts.
@no1marauder
"He watched as his supporters, donning red caps and chanting his name, overwhelmed and outnumbered police as they flooded the Capitol grounds and attempted to breach the Capitol."
The guy that broke the door to the capitol building was not charged with his crime.
Do you want him to be charged with a crime or not?