07 Oct 08
Originally posted by no1marauderYour theory is amusing, but wrong: George Washington was no proto-communist, nor did he seek to consolidate political power by making himself dictator for life. After leading the American Revolution, grateful Americans wanted him to be their king, but he humbly turned them down and instead served as their president, retiring after just two terms.
You would have hated George Washington in 1776, DSR.
What do you think of this quote:
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem ...[text shortened]... enezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador. Too bad your wealthy buddies and the Atlas boys don't like it.
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by no1marauderclass struggle card played again...
You would have hated George Washington in 1776, DSR.
What do you think of this quote:
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem ...[text shortened]... enezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador. Too bad your wealthy buddies and the Atlas boys don't like it.
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by no1marauderIts obvious that the ones who oppose chavez were intimidated.
That's impossible; according to DSR, if you oppose the government in Venezuela you're likely to be killed. How did all those dead people get to vote in the referendum?
by the way have a look at this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/world/americas/05venez.html?scp=3&sq=venezuela&st=cse
''Venezuela Bars Chávez Critic From Leaving''
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by karnachzWhat history books have you been reading? It was the very strength of our military under Reagan that helped topple the Reds. (Carter was a great president?....oh, please!!!!) I am through trying to reason with you brain-washed idiots.
No, the Berlin Wall wasn't a good idea. It's a good thing that the Cold War is over. What on earth do either of those things have to do with Ronald Reagan? Virtually nothing whatsoever, except that he was alive and watching those events as a spectator.
The Cold War would still have ended when it did even if Reagan hadn't screwed the US by racking up the ...[text shortened]... e how badly they'd been screwed. Now the US needs to be careful not to meet the same fate.
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterYour assertion that "grateful Americans wanted him [GW] to be their king" is another historically false fairy tale. George Washington aided in overthrowing an entrenched "foreign" elite and its loyal allies. That is similar to what is going on in Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador. Like in America in 1776, the movements there are supported by a solid majority of the people if not by the elites themselves, their multinational corporate friends and the Atlas kids.
Your theory is amusing, but wrong: George Washington was no proto-communist, nor did he seek to consolidate political power by making himself dictator for life. After leading the American Revolution, grateful Americans wanted him to be their king, but he humbly turned them down and instead served as their president, retiring after just two terms.
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by no1marauderDon't be ridiculous, you can't compare the American revolution to Chavez's bolivarian brain-wash.
Your assertion that "grateful Americans wanted him [GW] to be their king" is another historically false fairy tale. George Washington aided in overthrowing an entrenched "foreign" elite and its loyal allies. That is similar to what is going on in Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador. Like in America in 1776, the movements there are supported by a solid majorit ...[text shortened]... e if not by the elites themselves, their multinational corporate friends and the Atlas kids.
many Venezuelans don't want Chavez as their leader, and he's not giving the people independence, he's doing the opposite, he's creating a dictatorship.
And you seem to be the one believing in fairy tales, since you fantasize so much about ''multinational corporate friends'' and the ''elite''.
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by generalissimoParroting a claim about someone becoming a "dictator" doesn't make it so. You've failed to offer any evidence that Venezuela is becoming a dictatorship; Chavez was freely elected and re-elected and a recent referendum went (narrowly) against his Constitutional proposals. That doesn't sound like a "dictatorship" to me. Many Americans didn't support the Revolution either, but they were a minority just like the people in Venezuela who didn't want Chavez president were a minority in the last two presidential elections. I know you hate democracy because the "ignorant farmers" get to vote, but hey what are ya gonna do?
Don't be ridiculous, you can't compare the American revolution to Chavez's bolivarian brain-wash.
many Venezuelans don't want Chavez as their leader, and he's not giving the people independence, he's doing the opposite, he's creating a dictatorship.
And you seem to be the one believing in fairy tales, since you fantasize so much about ''multinational corporate friends'' and the ''elite''.
Surely not even you are so brainwashed as to believe that multinational corporations don't exist and aren't allied with the traditional conservative elites in South America?🙄
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by no1marauderHe nationalized electrical companies, asserted government control over oil projects in the Orinoco forests and withdrew from the International Monetary Fund. He also cracked down on television stations that had been critical of him, and proposed a referendum on constitutional changes that would centralize power in the presidency and remove term limits for the post. In addition, he's done something you should be very interested in: cracked down on the judiciary, stripping them of most of their power. How's that for evidence?
Parroting a claim about someone becoming a "dictator" doesn't make it so. You've failed to offer any evidence that Venezuela is becoming a dictatorship; Chavez was freely elected and re-elected and a recent referendum went (narrowly) against his Constitutional proposals. That doesn't sound like a "dictatorship" to me. Many Americans didn't support the Re ...[text shortened]... xist and aren't allied with the traditional conservative elites in South America?🙄
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by no1marauderNo evidence? These stories detail what Chavez has done just since Summer; the best thing is that they are all from the New York Times. If you're a left wing/communist dictator and the New York Times doesn't like you, then ain't nobody gonna like you:
Parroting a claim about someone becoming a "dictator" doesn't make it so. You've failed to offer any evidence that Venezuela is becoming a dictatorship; Chavez was freely elected and re-elected and a recent referendum went (narrowly) against his Constitutional proposals. That doesn't sound like a "dictatorship" to me. Many Americans didn't support the Re ...[text shortened]... xist and aren't allied with the traditional conservative elites in South America?🙄
Venezuela Expels 2 After Human Rights Report
By SIMON ROMERO
President Hugo Chávez’s government expelled two employees of Human Rights Watch after chafing at their documentation of widespread political discrimination.
September 20, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/20/world/americas/20venez.html
Report Accuses Chávez of Abusing Rights
By SIMON ROMERO
The detailed report by Human Rights Watch described political discrimination as a defining feature of Hugo Chávez presidency.
September 19, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/19/world/americas/19venez.html
This is my favorite one:
Chavez Decree Tightens Hold on Intelligence
By SIMON ROMERO
Sweeping changes to Venezuela’s intelligence agencies have provoked concerns that citizens will be forced to inform on one another to avoid prison.
June 3, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/world/americas/03venez.html
Chávez Seizes Greater Economic Power
By SIMON ROMERO
President Hugo Chávez is intensifying state control of Venezuela’s economy through new takeovers of private companies.
May 18, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/world/americas/18venez.html
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterVirtually all are examples of democracy in action. Where's the "dictatorship"?
He nationalized electrical companies, asserted government control over oil projects in the Orinoco forests and withdrew from the International Monetary Fund. He also cracked down on television stations that had been critical of him, and proposed a referendum on constitutional changes that would centralize power in the presidency and remove term l ...[text shortened]... cracked down on the judiciary, stripping them of most of their power. How's that for evidence?
As for the judiciary, the National Assembly, Venezuela's democratically elected legislature, voted to increase the number of seats on the Supreme Court. The same thing could and has happened here. Please actually make some coherent argument that this is a sign of "dictatorship"?
07 Oct 08
Why does everyone keep PI\i*^ing on poor old #zero's dream of finally having a paradise that will accept him as chief of police? Can't you guys see that he longs for a commy utopia? Chavez is the best he has, so just STOP IT! Let him dream. It does no harm. Why can't he have a nice uniform, a squad of goons and a nice place just outside of Caracas where he can take his "little boy" apparatchiks for fun on the week-ends?
Speaking for lisping, wimpy, anti-americans everywhere -- he represents the best that a commy can be. So don't pI*% on his parade. Or he will whup you with his feather boa.
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterThe Foreign Ministry said in a statement that Mr. Vivanco violated the law by entering the country on a tourist visa to do human rights work.
No evidence? These stories detail what Chavez has done just since Summer; the best thing is that they are all from the New York Times. If you're a left wing/communist dictator and the New York Times doesn't like you, then ain't nobody gonna like you:
Venezuela Expels 2 After Human Rights Report
By SIMON ROMERO
President Hugo Chávez’s gov ...[text shortened]... ate companies.
May 18, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/world/americas/18venez.html
LMAO! I thought you were for a tough line against illegal immigration!!!!!!!!!
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by StarValleyWyThe raving drunk is back posting his usual idiocies.
Why does everyone keep PI\i*^ing on poor old #zero's dream of finally having a paradise that will accept him as chief of police? Can't you guys see that he longs for a commy utopia? Chavez is the best he has, so just STOP IT! Let him dream. It does no harm. Why can't he have a nice uniform, a squad of goons and a nice place just outside of Caracas where ...[text shortened]... at a commy can be. So don't pI*% on his parade. Or he will whup you with his feather boa.