28 Jun 04
Originally posted by buckkyIt's all up to you as I think you may be the only one with the vast wisdom to do it.
The Devil is blinding the entire world to the truth. He should be fired from his position as the bad guy. The Devil has got the entire world by the short and curlys, and he needs to be stopped. Is there no one out there can help? This evil monster is turning people into Buddhest, and Hindhus, and Jews, and Muslems, and He has also ruined the American Indian b ...[text shortened]... t mother earth and the like. He is one bad dude, and someone needs to step in and pull his plug.
28 Jun 04
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Originally posted by buckkyGreat post; rarely read such a running joke; i hope you were laughing too when you typed this out.
The Devil is blinding the entire world to the truth. He should be fired from his position as the bad guy. The Devil has got the entire world by the short and curlys, and he needs to be stopped. Is there no one out there can help? This evil m ...[text shortened]... e is one bad dude, and someone needs to step in and pull his plug.
Fjord
28 Jun 04
Originally posted by FeivelIdo not see the question is devided against each other, When the man spoke to jesus he was being called to follow him and to test his faith either you serve god or wealth, the man who was rich was not evil but could not bring himself to sell up. The message is for us do not serve god and wealth Now if the question were put later the same man would be told worship god not wealth that is were the heart of a man should be , the money is not the problem but our desire for it hope this helps and answers your querie
Ok now approximately 50 years later these words were said by Paul in Romans 10:9.
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
28 Jun 04
Originally posted by stokerStoker,
Ido not see the question is devided against each other, When the man spoke to jesus he was being called to follow him and to test his faith either you serve god or wealth, the man who was rich was not evil but could not bring himself to sell up. The message is for us do not serve god and wealth Now if the question were put later the same man would be told ...[text shortened]... be , the money is not the problem but our desire for it hope this helps and answers your querie
Although you tried to address the question, you didn't. There is no way the two passages (one of Jesus and one of Paul) are the same. Jesus spoke of works where Paul spoke of faith and faith only. Seems just like another argument James (Jesus' brother had with Paul) and as you noted earlier, Paul never met Jesus yet James was his brother. Please don't even try to reconcile James vs. Paul by saying they really were arguing the same. Only a christian predisposed to believing that drivel would fall for that anyway. I do thank you for attempting to answer the original question anyway. now I will ask you the same as I asked kirksey buballa, who do you believe Jesus (which means follow the commandments) or Paul (which means have faith)?
Feivel
28 Jun 04
my faith is in the commandments as i do not take offence im trying to answer your querie but i in my knowledge do belive they are not against each other but will think and pray for a better answer than the one i have given. That is one should have faith in god always to do his works and the commands are there for man love god with all your heart and soul,
28 Jun 04
Originally posted by buckkySomeone did that someone is Jesus! Praise God!
The Devil is blinding the entire world to the truth. He should be fired from his position as the bad guy. The Devil has got the entire world by the short and curlys, and he needs to be stopped. Is there no one out there can help? This evil monster is turning people into Buddhest, and Hindhus, and Jews, and Muslems, and He has also ruined the American Indian b ...[text shortened]... t mother earth and the like. He is one bad dude, and someone needs to step in and pull his plug.
28 Jun 04
Originally posted by FeivelJesus spoke of faith in God give you money away have faith in me I will provide that's what Jesus was saying.
Stoker,
Although you tried to address the question, you didn't. There is no way the two passages (one of Jesus and one of Paul) are the same. Jesus spoke of works where Paul spoke of faith and faith only. Seems just like another argument James (Jesus' brother had with Paul) and as you noted earlier, Paul never met Jesus yet James was his brother. Please ...[text shortened]... believe Jesus (which means follow the commandments) or Paul (which means have faith)?
Feivel
28 Jun 04
Originally posted by FeivelJesus said Love the Lord your God, and love your neighbor as your self. If you keep this you will keep all 10 Old Testment laws but there are a lot more law in the old Testament then just ten Read Leviticus.
And Jesus said nothing about following the commandments?
Feivel
there are food law as well. But you already murder someone at heart Jesus said that is murder so you broke that law.
28 Jun 04
Originally posted by FeivelThe answer to your question is in your own post.
I would like to hear some comments on the following verses about eternal life.
First we have the words of Jesus himself as found in Matthew 19:16-22.
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: ...[text shortened]... ar? What do I do?
You might also like to read 2 Corinthians 12:16 before answering.
Feivel
Before you accuse me of "christian tactics" or the like, please note that I am not religious, and I am skeptical about the truthfulness of any book that claims to be the "word of god".
However, if we accept for the sake of argument the premise that "Jesus died for our sins", then it stands to reason that the requirements to get eternal life changed after his death. Accordingly, when Jesus was speaking (before his death, I presume?) the young man had to deal with his own sins, whereas when Paul was speaking (after Jesus died), the young mans sins had been taken care of by Jesus.
28 Jun 04
Originally posted by richjohnsonThe answer is not in my post Rich. So what you just said hinges on our presupposition that Jesus died for our sins? Also how does it follow that the requirements changed after the crucifixion? Please read the rest of the bible where it says god is unchanging. Also realize that if god changed the rules after Jesus' death by definition the change could only be better (otherwise god isn't perfect) and that would mean god wasn't perfect BEFORE he changed the rules. Guess you could say that's a catch 22 situation 🙂
The answer to your question is in your own post.
Before you accuse me of "christian tactics" or the like, please note that I am not religious, and I am skeptical about the truthfulness of any book that claims to be the "word of god".
However, if we accept for the sake of argument the premise that "Jesus died for our sins", then it stands t ...[text shortened]... when Paul was speaking (after Jesus died), the young mans sins had been taken care of by Jesus.
Feivel
28 Jun 04
Originally posted by FeivelJesus was God's Plan from the begining.
The answer is not in my post Rich. So what you just said hinges on our presupposition that Jesus died for our sins? Also how does it follow that the requirements changed after the crucifixion? Please read the rest of the bible where it says god is unchanging. Also realize that if god changed the rules after Jesus' death by definition the change could only be ...[text shortened]... rfect BEFORE he changed the rules. Guess you could say that's a catch 22 situation 🙂
Feivel
Read John Chapter 1