fair taxation

@js357 said
Yes, but then why should Bill and Jack pay the same percentage of their income as taxes? If Bill makes ten times as much as Jack, Bill is taxed ten times as much as Jack. Does Bill get ten times as much in government services, military protection, publicly funded education, potholes filled, etc.? Who says? Bill should pay the same amount as Jack, except for optional extras like those vanity plates on Bill’s car.

How can someone like you not see this?

Your ideas point up that we can never be a Utopia. Simplest way I can comment, is that I may have 6 children in that tax-funded grade school. Yet, you with one child have to pay same tax amount I do. It’s not fair, as libs like to say. They are correct.

@handyandy said
Fox news?

Faux news. 🙂

@averagejoe1 said
Your ideas point up that we can never be a Utopia. Simplest way I can comment, is that I may have 6 children in that tax-funded grade school. Yet, you with one child have to pay same tax amount I do. It’s not fair, as libs like to say. They are correct.

It is fair. Tax revenue used to fund public schools benefits the entire community, not just residents with children.

@handyandy said
It is fair. Tax revenue used to fund public schools benefits the entire community, not just residents with children.

It is fair. Badexample😬

@averagejoe1 said
It is fair. Badexample😬

It's a "bad example" because it doesn't support your specious argument.

@averagejoe1 said
It is fair. Badexample😬

I think we each have to decide whether the overall costs and benefits are fair enough.

@js357 said
I think we each have to decide whether the overall costs and benefits are fair enough.

My thoughts of tax-funded Free College crept in, which is not a good idea, in my opinion. Didn’t mean grade school. My bad.
Yes, of course considerations of costs have to addressed in any event while budgeting.

@js357 said
I think we each have to decide whether the overall costs and benefits are fair enough.

Actually, only lawmakers decide what is fair and what is not.

That's the problem.

@js357 said
I think we each have to decide whether the overall costs and benefits are fair enough.

Nice can of worms. Whose place is it to tell a $10m millionaire that he has enough. I’m not saying here whether that is enough or not, I am asking who is the entity or person that tells that man that he has ‘enough’? Why, That man may think that he has to have more if he is going to continue to build factories and create jobs. What a pickle.

@whodey said
Actually, only lawmakers decide what is fair and what is not.

That's the problem.

If only there was a way to influence who those lawmakers are...

@kazetnagorra said
If only there was a way to influence who those lawmakers are...

Lawmakers have such influence right before their eyes. They could simply Look at successful businesses, and the people who run them, and learn. Then, apply the discovered concepts to the running of our country. They'd better hurry.

@averagejoe1 said
Before a final ‘way to collect federal income tax’ can be agreed upon’ , I would think we should agree, first, it is ok for Bill to make More Money than Jack. The key factor is that Bill works harder, smarter than Jack. At end of the day, Bill has more money on his kitchen table than Jack. Our leaders then decide what percentage of their respective money go into the ‘com ...[text shortened]... ! THIS should be the issue in this thread. Maybe in the process we will discover def of fair share.

It is not true that the rich work harder or longer hours than the working poor. Many in the U.S. who are earning less than $20/hour are working multiple jobs. Sometimes they work multiple full time jobs, have kids and are trying to further their education. Many who are wealthy have no student debt due to rich parents plus they may have inherited wealth which they in no way earned via their time or effort. The rich have many ways to shelter their wealth from taxes. Not so for the middle and lower classes.

@phranny said
It is not true that the rich work harder or longer hours than the working poor. Many in the U.S. who are earning less than $20/hour are working multiple jobs. Sometimes they work multiple full time jobs, have kids and are trying to further their education. Many who are wealthy have no student debt due to rich parents plus they may have inherited wealth which they in no way ea ...[text shortened]... The rich have many ways to shelter their wealth from taxes. Not so for the middle and lower classes.

Lower class kid gets free education...does well, creates hundreds of jobs...THEN, liberals tells him he makes too much, then want to take it from him...liberal logic.

@mott-the-hoople said
Lower class kid gets free education...does well, creates hundreds of jobs...THEN, liberals tells him he makes too much, then want to take it from him...liberal logic.

Student debt is at crisis levels. This article is from Forbes, a respected business journal. https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2018/06/13/student-loan-debt-statistics-2018/#6cd951a07310
When young educated citizens carry this kind of debt, they cannot buy the goods and services that fuel our economy. They shop at Goodwill, rent a dwelling and buy used cars. They cannot afford to start a business with this level of debt. This is a greater crisis for our citizens than the people at our border who are fleeing violence.