Debates
26 Oct 22
@zahlanzi saidJesus, Zahlanzi, as if you liberal libs find no harm in mocking the disabled? Check out NYC Governor David Paterson being sadly mocked by SNL. You are not from around here. Anyway where does a person living under socialism (you are of course not a socialist yourself, )get off mocking our culture?
Translated from republicaneze: "I don't like the way one candidate slurred a few of his words after a few months since a massive stroke. So I am going to vote for the lying snake oil peddler, puppy killing fraud fascist doctor (or just not vote at all). "
Fetterman is more coherent after a stroke than 70% of the senate and the orange former president. I don't give a fuk ...[text shortened]... y speeches, i only care about what issues he is voting yay or nay on and his yays and nays are good.
https://www.starnewsonline.com/story/news/2008/12/16/ny-governor-says-snl-parody-mocked-the-disabled/30470254007/
Also, if you say Fetterman is 70% better, then you are obviously more clueless than he is. But hey, on the Forum, no harm done!!
@no1marauder saidYou are so full of it. Poisoning the minds of your 'students'. hahaha.
No, the government of the US nor any other government does not give you any rights; they either recognize the rights you had (which existed before there were any governments) or they are a tyranny which the People are justified in overthrowing, by force if necessary.
But just in case you thought there's some exception for State governments in the US, try reading the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.
Next you will be handing out assignments.
OK, you can tell them you want an explanation of this article on your desk at the 8AM in the morning !! No Frisbee today.
Your course is called Not-Con Law 012!!!
https://www.stilt.com/blog/2020/07/what-are-the-5-rights-of-a-citizen/
27 Oct 22
@AverageJoe1
Why do you say 'Just in case you thought there was an exception for state governments....'
??????
I feel marauder trying to muddy up a thread.
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27 Oct 22
@averagejoe1 saidHow about states having the right to tackle inflation, crime, immigration, etc ...
An example. His reference to abortion being decided by the states is so easy to understand that I am amazed. If a lot of people live in one area, in this case, a state, all of those people decide what in the hell happens inside their state. In this case abortion was the issue, so one state might say we’re going to do it, and one state might say they are not going to do it ...[text shortened]... r, and other liberals can handle. If you will think this through, you will see the light.
Whew!
You get so wound up about 2 things:
1 - federal government entangling themselves into states affairs.
2 - state and federal governments entangling themselves into the individuals' rights to manage their own lives.
Do you the states get to pick and choose ?
Scream to the skies whenever a federal government applies mandates to combat a once in a century epidemic.
But governments have the right to tell individuals how to manage their reproductive systems.
btw, I am trying to stop using term "abortion".
The better term is a woman's right to control her own reproductive system.
The issue here is that women don't get the right to manage their own bodies when that management collides with outdated religious morality by certain powers in politics under the influence of religious groups with their 17th century guides to humanity.
I wish that some people on the morality right just have the ideological courage to step up and just admit your stance on this issue.
That being .......... the moral right opposes a woman's right to control her own reproductive system (abortion) because they think that it contributes to sexual promiscuity.
Which is also the reason that they oppose contraception, which btw would also largely make their abortion issue go away.
c'mon, averagejoe, tell us about how you feel about recreational sex. Your phrase, remember ?
27 Oct 22
My sense of this whole Fetterman vs Oz battle is that neither candidate should be running for the spot.
Fetterman, because he is obviously walking around with left over health issue from a stroke.
Oz, simply he is just a doorknob !!
Fetterman, when he spoke was having trouble getting his ideas out right, whether or not you agree with him.
Oz, you see his lips moving and you hear him speaking, but somehow you just don't believe this guy has his head in the issue.
It seems there are a lot of politicians walking through their campaigns with cheat cards hidden their jackets with instructions on what to say.
The GOP is dirt simple, just walk around and talk about inflation and crime and come across nicely to the media. You don't have to have a clue on how to start going about fixing the issues.
And who knows, if you're lucky, you might get a 5 minute TV spot on Hannity while he blathers on how brilliantly you've performed in a debate or at an event speech (used by another GOP candidate in another state the day before).
27 Oct 22
@mott-the-hoople saidNothing in any of those exchanges, which are discussions of how best to secure existing rights, not what rights to "give" the People changes what Jefferson said in our country's founding document:
no I dont, but undoubtedly you do
https://teachingamericanhistory.org/blog/madison-and-jefferson-discuss-the-bill-of-rights/
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,"
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript
Rights come first and governments are formed to protect them.
As to rights existing that are not enumerated in the Bill of Rights, here's Madison:
"It has been objected also against a bill of rights, that, by enumerating particular exceptions to the grant of power, it would disparage those rights which were not placed in that enumeration, and it might follow by implication, that those rights which were not singled out, were intended to be assigned into the hands of the general government, and were consequently insecure. This is one of the most plausible arguments I have ever heard urged against the admission of a bill of rights into this system; but, I conceive, that may be guarded against. I have attempted it, as gentlemen may see by turning to the last clause of the 4th resolution."
https://www.let.rug.nl/usa/documents/1786-1800/madison-speech-proposing-the-bill-of-rights-june-8-1789.php
"the last clause of the 4th resolution" became the Ninth Amendment:
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
27 Oct 22
@no1marauder
Well, hold on a minute here, No1.
You must admit, if our constitution did not give American citizens the right to bear arms,
Americans, like a lot of Western civilization citizens, would not have that right.
@earl-of-trumps saidThat’s not how it works. Inalienable rights exist independently of laws. The Second Amendment acknowledges the existence of the right to bear arms and provides legal protection of the right. It does not create that right. According to natural rights theory everyone has the right to bear arms but some governments violate that right with unjust laws.
@no1marauder
Well, hold on a minute here, No1.
You must admit, if our constitution did not give American citizens the right to bear arms,
Americans, like a lot of Western civilization citizens, would not have that right.
28 Oct 22
@athousandyoung saidLive free., I like it.
That’s not how it works. Inalienable rights exist independently of laws. The Second Amendment acknowledges the existence of the right to bear arms and provides legal protection of the right. It does not create that right. According to natural rights theory everyone has the right to bear arms but some governments violate that right with unjust laws.
Never had an inclination to own a gun but believe in the 2A. Wish we had it here in NZ. You folk in the US need to hang on to and defend that right.
28 Oct 22
@averagejoe1 saidAnybody voting for Oz has obviously taken too many drugs and wondered down a yellow brick road, swatting off flying monkeys and looking for their brain.
I cannot imagine OZ as senator. I definitely imagine Fetterman as one of the 100 senators sending us into the future.I see no reason to not vote Fetterman. Do you?
28 Oct 22
@shavixmir saidOz is the meth-fueled love-child of the Scarecrow and the Tin Man, having neither a brain nor a heart, and he lives as a Cowardly Lion on the ignorance, fear and hate of our times.
Anybody voting for Oz has obviously taken too many drugs and wondered down a yellow brick road, swatting off flying monkeys and looking for their brain.
28 Oct 22
@soothfast saidNicely put!
Oz is the meth-fueled love-child of the Scarecrow and the Tin Man, having neither a brain nor a heart, and he lives as a Cowardly Lion on the ignorance, fear and hate of our times.
Although I would always add flying monkeys wherever possible.
28 Oct 22
@shavixmir saidRelease those flying monkeys! There are addled twats living across the street from us with an Oz yard sign. They're weirdos who have a giant iron gate barricading their driveway, so of course they swing to the MAGA goosestep. Of course they do.
Nicely put!
Although I would always add flying monkeys wherever possible.
28 Oct 22
@soothfast saidDo they sit on their porch eating grits?
Release those flying monkeys! There are addled twats living across the street from us with an Oz yard sign. They're weirdos who have a giant iron gate barricading their driveway, so of course they swing to the MAGA goosestep. Of course they do.