Originally posted by PalynkaHere's the latest report: http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250012006
What part of secondary sources did you not understand?
If they have accurate information from secondary sources, what's the difference? Personally 72 prisoners of conscience is 72 too many for me, but I said Fidel could play a little nicer regarding human rights. But he hasn't slaughtered 600 civilians lately either.
Originally posted by no1marauderAccurate does not mean complete. Why else would Fidel prevent them from entering?
Here's the latest report: http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250012006
If they have accurate information from secondary sources, what's the difference? Personally 72 prisoners of conscience is 72 too many for me, but I said Fidel could play a little nicer regarding human rights. But he hasn't slaughtered 600 civilians lately either.
My point stands, if Fidel let them in we might know something more.
As for the slaughterings, I don't support anyone that has done that, so that point is irrelevant.
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Originally posted by PalynkaYour assertion doesn't make any sense since AI obviously has pretty much full info regarding the situation. Probably Fidel doesn't want them in because they say he's not nice. But perhaps he's really running a vast gulag that is going undetected because AI personnel don't have boots on the ground in Cuba to discover it. Maybe he's keeping Amelia Earhart and Judge Crater there as well.
Accurate does not mean complete. Why else would Fidel prevent them from entering?
My point stands, if Fidel let them in we might know something more.
As for the slaughterings, I don't support anyone that has done that, so that point is irrelevant.
Originally posted by no1marauderIt is you that isn't making any sense.
Your assertion doesn't make any sense since AI obviously has pretty much full info regarding the situation. Probably Fidel doesn't want them in because they say he's not nice. But perhaps he's really running a vast gulag that is going undetected because AI personnel don't have boots on the ground in Cuba to discover it. Maybe he's keeping Amelia Earhart and Judge Crater there as well.
How is being prevented access to a country not detrimental to reporting about that same country?
You have no basis to claim that AI has full information.
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Originally posted by PalynkaBlah, blah, blah. What part of "pretty much" didn't you get? To be more precise, they have enough information to make detailed reports regarding the situation in Cuba. Your speculation is unjustified.
It is you that isn't making any sense.
How is being prevented access to a country not detrimental to reporting about that same country?
You have no basis to claim that AI has full information.
Originally posted by no1marauderI'm not speculating anything. I made no claims as to what would be found. It is you that is speculating by claiming nothing relevant would be found.
Blah, blah, blah. What part of "pretty much" didn't you get? To be more precise, they have enough information to make detailed reports regarding the situation in Cuba. Your speculation is unjustified.
And answering blah blah blah to my question doesn't suffice, you know? I'll repeat it in italic just for you:
How is being prevented access to a country not detrimental to reporting about that same country?
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Originally posted by PalynkaYou're simply making an assertion without any evidence to support it. It is up to you to make some cogent argument to indicate that AI's inability to have its personnel on the ground in Cuba inhibits its ability to make its assessments. You have utterly failed to do so and the fact that it gives very detailed reports is pretty strong evidence that your claim is baseless.
I'm not speculating anything. I made no claims as to what would be found. It is you that is speculating by claiming nothing relevant would be found.
And answering blah blah blah to my question doesn't suffice, you know? I'll repeat it in italic just for you:
How is being prevented access to a country not detrimental to reporting about that same country?
Astronomers don't have access to Alpha Centauri but they seem able to gather info about it.
Originally posted by no1marauderThe only assertion that I'm making is that AI is prevented from entering Cuba by the man you chose to honour today.
You're simply making an assertion without any evidence to support it. It is up to you to make some cogent argument to indicate that AI's inability to have its personnel on the ground in Cuba inhibits its ability to make its assessments. You have utterly failed to do so and the fact that it gives very detailed reports is pretty strong evidence that your claim is baseless.
AI has repeatedly requested the Cuban government to allow them in. Why do you think it that? I'll tell you why:
Because not being able to enter the country is detrimental to reporting about that country. It's that simple.
Your claim that it is NOT detrimental is the one against the evidence. The evidence that Fidel has forbidden them and the evidence that AI wants to be allowed in thr country.
Originally posted by PalynkaIt seems our more infantile posters always seem to think they're "winning" the argument when all they are doing is repeating themselves. Parrots can do this, but that doesn't mean they're making rational points.
Same thing with Mars, but going there can give them a lot more info.
Keep burying yourself, I'm enjoying the show.
Your implication that Fidel is hiding some deep dark secret by preventing AI from entering Cuba is right up there with the usual types of conspiracy theories. But keep saying over and over and over again the same thing and don't forget to pat yourself on the back on your cleverness.
Originally posted by PalynkaParrot: Your claim that it is NOT detrimental is the one against the evidence. The evidence that Fidel has forbidden them and the evidence that AI wants to be allowed in thr country.
The only assertion that I'm making is that AI is prevented from entering Cuba by the man you chose to honour today.
AI has repeatedly requested the Cuban government to allow them in. Why do you think it that? I'll tell you why:
Because not being able to enter the country is detrimental to reporting about that country. It's that simple.
Your claim th ...[text shortened]... ce that Fidel has forbidden them and the evidence that AI wants to be allowed in thr country.
Neither of those facts are evidence that AI is missing any relevant information in compiling its reports. And again the detail in the reports is strong evidence to the contrary (which can be weighed against the zero evidence you've presented).
Originally posted by no1marauderHow is refuting your example repeating myself?
It seems our more infantile posters always seem to think they're "winning" the argument when all they are doing is repeating themselves. Parrots can do this, but that doesn't mean they're making rational points.
Your implication that Fidel is hiding some deep dark secret by preventing AI from entering Cuba is right up there with the usual type ...[text shortened]... over again the same thing and don't forget to pat yourself on the back on your cleverness.
Blah blah blah, infantile, parrot keep them coming marauderogatory, it's all you ever do.
As for your single point in the last paragraph, I made no implication about a deep dark secret. Again, it is you imagining things with your usual strawman technique.
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Originally posted by no1marauderLet's make it clear.
Parrot: Your claim that it is NOT detrimental is the one against the evidence. The evidence that Fidel has forbidden them and the evidence that AI wants to be allowed in thr country.
Neither of those facts are evidence that AI is missing any relevant information in compiling its reports. And again the detail in the reports is strong evidence to the contrary (which can be weighed against the zero evidence you've presented).
Those facts imply:
- That AI would prefer being allowed on the country to make their reports.
- That Fidel would prefer them not being allowed on the country.
Every report claims that they were not allowed in the country since 1988 and that their requests to be allowed were ignored by the Government.
Your claims that AI can perform their duties EXACTLY THE SAME WAY without men on the field are absurd. And if you don't claim that their reports would be EXACTLY THE SAME (with the exception of the point in the last paragraph) then you are implicitly admitting that I'm right.
That we would know more about Cuba if Fidel allowed AI in.