Originally posted by PalynkaYou should simply admit you were wrong and stop grasping at such ridiculous straws.
Again, not being granted permission is the same as being prevented.
If Fidel is too much of a hypocrite to say "no" doesn't really matter. His absence of reply has the same effect as a "no".
Originally posted by PalynkaThe point has already been made: contrary to your assertion, which was the entire basis of your "arguments", Cuba does not ban AI personnel from entering Cuba. All that the Cuban government does is ignore correspondence from AI. AI doesn't claim that a single one of their group has ever been prevented from going to Cuba. If they want to make a personal inspection of Cuba, there are plenty of European travel agencies that will help them out.
Was there a point in there that I didn't see or was it simply a derogatory comment?
Originally posted by no1marauderYou have no idea how hard AI works to keep their reputation. Travel agencies don't suffice.
The point has already been made: contrary to your assertion, which was the entire basis of your "arguments", Cuba does not ban AI personnel from entering Cuba. All that the Cuban government does is ignore correspondence from AI. AI doesn't claim that a single one of their group has ever been prevented from going to Cuba. If they want to make a personal inspection of Cuba, there are plenty of European travel agencies that will help them out.
Amnesty International does not visit countries clandestinely, as for its own credibility the organization considers the accord and cooperation of the government to be vital.
Originally posted by PalynkaCuba is not required to play by AI's rules; if a government thinks it a waste of time to respond to some group's correspondence, that's up to the government. AI looks like it's grandstanding; if they were really so interested in assessing the situation in Cuba first hand they'd simply go there. Then if Cuba threw them out or hampered their factfinding in some specific way they'd have a bitch. Right now, they seem to be holding their breath till they turn blue.
You have no idea how hard AI works to keep their reputation. Travel agencies don't suffice.
Amnesty International does not visit countries clandestinely, as for its own credibility the organization considers the accord and cooperation of the government to be vital.
Originally posted by no1marauderNobody is required to play by AI's rules. But the fact is that some accept and some don't. It's not like AI requesting an entry is such a "demanding" rule.
Cuba is not required to play by AI's rules; if a government thinks it a waste of time to respond to some group's correspondence, that's up to the government. AI looks like it's grandstanding; if they were really so interested in assessing the situation in Cuba first hand they'd simply go there. Then if Cuba threw them out or hampered their factfinding in ...[text shortened]... they'd have a bitch. Right now, they seem to be holding their breath till they turn blue.
If Fidel did accept we'd probably all know a little more about Cuba.
The world is much larger than Cuba and if the AI starts going against governments they would have a much harder time colaborating with them in the future.
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Originally posted by PalynkaJesus Christ, you're being ridiculous. If AI would just send some people and stop their BS then people like you could stop pretending that Cuba is trying to hide something.
Nobody is required to play by AI's rules. But the fact is that some accept and some don't. It's not like AI requesting an entry is such a "demanding" rule.
If Fidel did accept we'd probably all know a little more about Cuba.
The world is much larger than Cuba and if the AI starts going against governments they would have a much harder time colaborating with them in the future.
Normally I have great respect for AI but this is grandstanding pure and simple.
Originally posted by no1marauderWe simply disagree. I don't think that to start entering countries without its governments' permission is a better alternative, especially considering their attempts to be neutral politically.
Jesus Christ, you're being ridiculous. If AI would just send some people and stop their BS then people like you could stop pretending that Cuba is trying to hide something.
Normally I have great respect for AI but this is grandstanding pure and simple.
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Originally posted by no1marauderOnce again, you cloud the issue to deflect the flaw in your argument.
Jesus Christ, you're being ridiculous. If AI would just send some people and stop their BS then people like you could stop pretending that Cuba is trying to hide something.
Normally I have great respect for AI but this is grandstanding pure and simple.
The point is that AI do not go to countries unless they have been specifically invited in response to their request.
By ignoring said request, Cuba has EFFECTIVELY prevented them from entering.
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Originally posted by howardgeeThat's absurd. If AI is so interested in the state of human rights in Cuba, they should have some of their people jump on a plane and go there. IF Cuba then threw them out or unreasonably harassed them so that they couldn't gather information, then they'd have a complaint. But to petulantly refuse to go to Cuba under the circumstances when Cuba has never stopped anyone from AI going there is grandstanding.
Once again, you cloud the issue to deflect the flaw in your argument.
The point is that AI do not go to countries unless they have been specifically invited in response to their request.
By ignoring said request, Cuba has EFFECTIVELY prevented them from entering.
EDIT : I bet you $100 that AI doesn't ask for advance permission for all its teams to go to the US or the UK or Germany or Australia or any other Western country.