26 Oct 12
Originally posted by utherpendragonby far the greatest reason for abortion is social convenience, sadly.
The three most frequently cited “hard cases” in which some argue abortion might be justified are rape, incest and protecting the life of the mother. However, women rarely report that they are seeking an abortion for any of these reasons:
Rape: 0.3%
Incest: 0.03%
Protection of mother’s life: 0.2%
In other words, out of 1,000 women procu ...[text shortened]... ad more: Abortion Facts - Abortion Facts http://www.whyprolife.com/abortion-facts/#ixzz2AOV8qvBX
26 Oct 12
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Originally posted by kevcvs57Research indicates that 98% of all abortions are related to issues of “personal choice.”
Disagreed and disgusted at your choice of demeaning language, but not surprised, sadly.
The primary reasons women give for having an abortion include not feeling emotionally capable (32% ) or financially capable (25% ) of raising a child, and concern that having a child would drastically alter her life (16% ).
Sources: Guttmacher Institute. 2008, July. Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States. http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html.Johnston, Wm. Robert. Reasons given for having abortions in the United States. http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html.
26 Oct 12
Originally posted by utherpendragonSo 'Social Convenience' does not quite tell the true story then, when 57% according to these studies cite Emotional or Financial incapacity as the reason for having the abortion.
Research indicates that 98% of all abortions are related to issues of “personal choice.”
The primary reasons women give for having an abortion include not feeling emotionally capable (32% ) or financially capable (25% ) of raising a child, and concern that having a child would drastically alter her life (16% ).
Sources: Guttmacher Institute. 2008 ...[text shortened]... abortions in the United States. http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html.
26 Oct 12
Originally posted by kevcvs57I think "fiancial" reasons would fall under 'Social Convenience' . One could even argue that for emotional reasons.
So 'Social Convenience' does not quite tell the true story then, when 57% according to these studies cite Emotional or Financial incapacity as the reason for having the abortion.
26 Oct 12
Originally posted by utherpendragonof course you could argue anything, and there are many who would agree because they feel the same as you do on this issue, but to me and like minded people it is the usual emotive bullying language of the anti choice brigade.
I think "fiancial" reasons would fall under 'Social Convenience' . One could even argue that for emotional reasons.
The aim of which is to give the impression that the Woman has made a choice between a dishwasher and a baby, and the baby lost out.
26 Oct 12
Originally posted by kevcvs57Anti choice brigade ?! Get real.
of course you could argue anything, and there are many who would agree because they feel the same as you do on this issue, but to me and like minded people it is the usual emotive bullying language of the anti choice brigade.
The aim of which is to give the impression that the Woman has made a choice between a dishwasher and a baby, and the baby lost out.
As far as an "aim to give an impression" thing goes, there is no need for people who are Pro-Life to do that.
The proof is in the pudding. Look at the data.
26 Oct 12
Originally posted by utherpendragonYou can BS each other and call your (capital punishment loving) selves pro life if you like, but you ain't fooling anyone who does not want to be fooled.
Anti choice brigade ?! Get real.
As far as an "aim to give an impression" thing goes, there is no need for people who are Pro-Life to do that.
The proof is in the pudding. Look at the data.
Because you cannot get the electoral mandate to force women to term, the next best solution is to guilt and shame them into not having an abortion.
That is the the reason for the emotive and demeaning language, the data is neutral at best and speaks of incapacity, the fact that you choose to interpret that as 'social convenience' is a testament to the sly machinations of the anti choice lobby.
26 Oct 12
Originally posted by moon1969Please read what I post before offering a retort. I clearly stated my disagreement with this guy in my post. From his point of view, what you are saying is not logically consistent. You are going to allow the murderer to decide if what they are doing is considered murder. From his point of view, killing a baby isn't going to undo the rape. From his point of view committing murder is worse than getting raped. Again, I don't agree with him, but to say he is WAGING WAR ON WOMEN is the very height of scare tactics.
You come across as a moron in not recognizing that forcing a rape victim to give birth to her rapist child against her will is a war on women. No matter if your personal belief is that abortion is murder. Surely you have enough intelligence to understand that the rape victim can decide for herself if it is murder to take the morning after pill. After all ...[text shortened]... rape victim from taking the morning after pill and force her to give birth to the rapist child.
26 Oct 12
Originally posted by KewpieFrom your point of view, this is true. From his point of view it is murder. Yes, hysterical language is very common from both sides of this issue.
Abortion isn't "killing a baby", it's "killing a collection of cells which could become a baby if a lot of other things go the way they should". Use of hysterical language to support pro-life arguments is far too common.
26 Oct 12
Originally posted by dryhumpIs it a point of view or is it a religious doctrine, because if it is the latter then surely his views do not come into it, you cannot compare the slavish adherence to dogma with an opinion based on experience and intellect.
From your point of view, this is true. From his point of view it is murder. Yes, hysterical language is very common from both sides of this issue.
26 Oct 12
Originally posted by kevcvs57
You can BS each other and call your (capital punishment loving) selves pro life if you like, but you ain't fooling anyone who does not want to be fooled.
Because you cannot get the electoral mandate to force women to term, the next best solution is to guilt and shame them into not having an abortion.
That is the the reason for the emotive and demeanin ...[text shortened]... that as 'social convenience' is a testament to the sly machinations of the anti choice lobby.
You can BS each other and call your (capital punishment loving) selves pro life if you like, but you ain't fooling anyone who does not want to be fooled.-kevcvs57
LOL. 'capital punishment loving selves' ?! What gives you the impression I love capital punishment ? You need to get more informed.
As far as fooling anyone... look at the data.