14 Oct 08
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Originally posted by MetBierOpHe was vaulted to power during a time of economic hardship. He gave the people jobs and revitalized the economy and gave people hope through his charismatic speeches. If it had not been for this he probably would not have come to power. Hmm, now who does this sound like today? LOL.
Good things
- Economic development
- Architecture
- Volkswagen
- Autobahn
- His own suicide
Bad things
- Terror
- Hate
- Racism
- War
- Death
- Torture
- Suffering
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterHitler's original intent was to create a Greater Germany with room for all the Germanic peoples. Bolshevism was merely an obstacle in his path. Besides, he didn't rid Europe of Bolshevism, so he didn't achieve anything in that respect.
The Volkswagon. Also, his original intent to rid Europe of Bolshivism was admirable.
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by knightwestIf the war was won, he'd still have an enormous debt to foreign states, some friends, some not. I think US was one of the big contributors to this loan circus, but US didn't get the money back anyway...
Fact is that, even though some Nazi programs ,ie Autobahn, might have had positive side-effects, the underlying goal of every action in the run up to the war was to get Germany ready for war. So the purpose overshadows the result.
and once war started, you can forget trying to argue your point.
My point is, he didn't build any Autobahn with German money.
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by knightwestAre you seriously suggesting the goal justifies the means and the means have to be judged by the goal?
Fact is that, even though some Nazi programs ,ie Autobahn, might have had positive side-effects, the underlying goal of every action in the run up to the war was to get Germany ready for war. So the purpose overshadows the result.
and once war started, you can forget trying to argue your point.
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by SeitseSeitse I am reading the posts. Please do the same, and do it a couple of times. Try to understand the intentions.
Read Palynka's post.
But if you want to, we can also discuss if the Holocaust really happened and, if it did, if it was as horrible as recorded. Would you like that?
I do not deny the horrors, the holocaust or anything else.
And once again, but to make it entirely sure. I AM anti-nazi, Hitler, etc. Just like you are.
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by PalynkaI state you are not willing to discuss. Because of your last two words "Case closed".
Eh? I'm not willing to discuss it? 🙄 Apparently, you need me to state the obvious, so I shall.
One of the main functions of symbols is identification. If Neo-Nazis still use such symbology today, then it is ill-advised to also use them if you don't want to be identified with them.
If the main function of symbols is identification. Use them otherwise, Or isn't it that simple? So no, then the question is. Why not?
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by Bosse de Nage"Why do we let them have this influence?"
Look, I've said I'm interested to hear what you have to say -- I'm anxious to hear it.
I don't know the answer to my question.
If it was up to only me I would like that there where no influences on the behavior of the masses.
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by kmax87I still think it is a shame, we allow this influence.
People dont like this discussion, because by discussing it, we give the Nazi regime oxygen. By extolling Hitler's supposed virtues and the positive contribution he allegedly made for the German people, the fear is that we might inadvertantly send the wrong message to each new generation that comes along(especially the crop of likely neo nazi's who always mana ...[text shortened]... ately, there are not that many people who are willing and comfortable in doing that right now.
However many thanks for your well founded explanation.
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by MetBierOpI said "Case closed" because only an idiot would continue to think that it would merit more discussion. Which evidently you are.
I state you are not willing to discuss. Because of your last two words "Case closed".
If the main function of symbols is identification. Use them otherwise, Or isn't it that simple? So no, then the question is. Why not?
The function would still be present to those that are out of context. If you take a t-shirt saying "I love Hitler" with a very small print on the back of your sleeve saying "In this context 'love' means hate" what do you think would happen?