Homoseuxality: Is it wrong?

Originally posted by Nemesio
Well, this very comment should suffice to end any discussion on the value of naturalness for morality.

So: simply because it is observed in nature doesn't make it right or wrong in and of itself. That is,
people who say, 'Monkeys do it, therefore it's okay' aren't making a very coherent argument
(because monkeys also rape), but neither are the people ...[text shortened]... omosexuality? Harm to society? And if so, what harm are we
talking about?

Nemesio

In many primitive societies homosexuality is accepted as normal. The problem as I see it is this: Modern so-called religions, christianity and Islam chief among them as brainwashing entire poplulations into thinking homosexuality is going to lead to some kind of punishment in the afterlife. If there was no such evil as christianity or Islam, a lot of behaviors such as homosexuality would never have been thought of as somehow anti-god or whatever and would instead been viewed as a part of the normal range of behavior for humans and animals.

Originally posted by sonhouse
In many primitive societies homosexuality is accepted as normal. The problem as I see it is this: Modern so-called religions, christianity and Islam chief among them as brainwashing entire poplulations into thinking homosexuality is going to lead to some kind of punishment in the afterlife. If there was no such evil as christianity or Islam, a lot of behavi ...[text shortened]... and would instead been viewed as a part of the normal range of behavior for humans and animals.

You are right Christianity and Islam are Evil, Homosexuality is Heaven!!!!!!

What a logic!!!!!!!

Do you know what, some people don't need brainwashing because they don't have one!

Originally posted by sonhouse
In many primitive societies homosexuality is accepted as normal. The problem as I see it is this: Modern so-called religions, christianity and Islam chief among them as brainwashing entire poplulations into thinking homosexuality is going to lead to some kind of punishment in the afterlife. If there was no such evil as christianity or Islam, a lot of behavi ...[text shortened]... and would instead been viewed as a part of the normal range of behavior for humans and animals.

So what, it's just a random coincidence that all these evil religions consistently recognize homosexuality as immoral?

I think you're analysis is superficial. I suspect that modern religion has inherited its disapproval of homosexuality from its semitic origins. And has already been discussed in this thread, many heterosexuals share an innate aversion to homosexuality (which Nemesio has explained is possibly nuerological). I don't think religion should cop all the blame.

Originally posted by stocken
Now, let's look at the morals. Do you think homosexuality is morally wrong?
And why do(n't) you think so?

I don't believe homosexuality is immoral because as far as I can see it doesn't necassarily harm anyone else in today's society.

However, twenty years ago, when HIV first surfaced and it was seen as the gays' fault and opponents of the legalization of homosexuality all thought that homosexuals were pedophiles, homosexuality did seem to harm society. I'm glad that much of the ignorance over the past twenty years has been cleared up.

Originally posted by Conrau K
I don't believe homosexuality is immoral because as far as I can see it doesn't necassarily harm anyone else in today's society.

However, twenty years ago, when HIV first surfaced and it was seen as the gays' fault and opponents of the legalization of homosexuality all thought that homosexuals were pedophiles, homosexuality did seem to harm society. I'm glad that much of the ignorance over the past twenty years has been cleared up.

You'd be surprised. There are still people out there who think that the only way to catch HIV/AIDS is to have gay sex or be from Africa.

EDIT: And if you fall into either one of those catagories you deserve to die a horrible death.

Originally posted by sonhouse
In many primitive societies homosexuality is accepted as normal. The problem as I see it is this: Modern so-called religions, christianity and Islam chief among them as brainwashing entire poplulations into thinking homosexuality is going to lead to some kind of punishment in the afterlife. If there was no such evil as christianity or Islam, a lot of behavi ...[text shortened]... and would instead been viewed as a part of the normal range of behavior for humans and animals.

Do animals and primitive societies never do anything wrong? So when I do something like steal your sandwich, it's wrong, but if a monkey does it, it's natural? (I HAD a monkey steal my sandwich once, by the way. I was annoyed.) Supposedly, we are not primitive animals any more!

So are we supposed to "know better" when it comes to homosexuality (again, not the genetic form, the causual form)? Why do so many religions find fault with it? Simple narrow-mindedness? Or have we "learned" that it ain't a great idea?

The ancient Greeks were big on homosexuality, democracy, and slavery. Democracy is fantastic, but as for the others...!

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
You'd be surprised. There are still people out there who think that the only way to catch HIV/AIDS is to have gay sex or be from Africa.

EDIT: And if you fall into either one of those catagories you deserve to die a horrible death.

Ignorance punishable by horrible death? 🙄

Everyone was an ignorant once.

Originally posted by Palynka
Ignorance punishable by horrible death? 🙄

Everyone was an ignorant once.

Actually I was portraying the fact that some people believe that there are only two ways to get HIV/AIDS and if you catch it then you deserve to die a horrible death.

Do you really think I'd wish HIV/AIDS on anyone?

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
Actually I was portraying the fact that some people believe that there are only two ways to get HIV/AIDS and if you catch it then you deserve to die a horrible death.

Do you really think I'd wish HIV/AIDS on anyone?

You do think some ignorant people deserve HIV/AIDS due to their ignorance.

Originally posted by Palynka
You do think some ignorant people deserve HIV/AIDS due to their ignorance.

No I don't.

Originally posted by Conrau K
I don't believe homosexuality is immoral because as far as I can see it doesn't necassarily harm anyone else in today's society.

However, twenty years ago, when HIV first surfaced and it was seen as the gays' fault and opponents of the legalization of homosexuality all thought that homosexuals were pedophiles, homosexuality did seem to harm society. I'm glad that much of the ignorance over the past twenty years has been cleared up.

I do believe that moral reasoning can often be based on fear. So, we
have AIDS, we know that a lot of gay people has gotten AIDS and it
comes from Africa. We can reasonably assume that those who claim not
to be gay, yet is infected with AIDS are closet homosexuals. Therefore
we can only draw the conclusion that God is now punishing all gay people,
hence homosexuality is wrong.

😵

That's an amusing line of reasoning if it's true, wouldn't you say? I mean
it both ensures everyone who isn't gay that they won't attract AIDS as
long as they don't associate with Africans or gay people, and thereby
preventing panic among the heterosexuals from breaking out (because
we all know religious heterosexuals can't handle the harsh naked truth),
while at the same time showing how powerful and "just" the almighty God
is in the eyes of the equal minded. Denial and lack of rational thinking
has such a redeeming quality to it. Beautiful and innocent. Almost
serene.

Which brings me to the point I made earlier in this thread. In some
cases morality can do much more damage than what nature (or God if
you will) made of a person.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
You'd be surprised. There are still people out there who think that the only way to catch HIV/AIDS is to have gay sex or be from Africa.

EDIT: And if you fall into either one of those catagories you deserve to die a horrible death.

It has been alleged that the nasty business started in Africa, spreading to the West through sodomy.

Originally posted by scipio2
It has been alleged that the nasty business started in Africa, spreading to the West through sodomy.

😞😴

Correction: Excuse my poor English. I read "alleged" as
"established". 😳

Now, I'm happy again. 🙂

Addition: Though I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. 😕

Originally posted by scipio2
It has been alleged that the nasty business started in Africa, spreading to the West through sodomy.

Do you in fact know anything about AIDS?

Originally posted by scipio2
It has been alleged that the nasty business started in Africa, spreading to the West through sodomy.

I rest my case.