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@yo-its-me saidone thing for sure…you love you some hamas terrorist
How are you confident of anything about me!
Maybe I am Jewish.
Maybe I am not.
Maybe I am a Muslim.
Maybe I am not.
I do not hate, that's for sure.
What can I say about the war and how it started. War is always bad.
Why can't you answer a simple question- where are you getting your 'truth' Rajk?
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidReally, how is that for sure?
one thing for sure…you love you some hamas terrorist
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@yo-its-me saidI am confident that you are a sleazy piece of garbage.
How are you confident of anything about me!
Maybe I am Jewish.
Maybe I am not.
Maybe I am a Muslim.
Maybe I am not.
I do not hate, that's for sure.
What can I say about the war and how it started. War is always bad.
Why can't you answer a simple question- where are you getting your 'truth' Rajk?
You silently support the killing of Jews.
How do I know.
You do not have the balls to answer the question about Hamas.
So take a F..ing hike.
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@Rajk999 saidFrom anyone else, this would feel like a bizarre response, but it's from you.
I am confident that you are a sleazy piece of garbage.
You silently support the killing of Jews.
How do I know.
You do not have the balls to answer the question about Hamas.
So take a F..ing hike.
Have a good day sweetpea
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@yo-its-me saidTerrorist supporters ... they just cant hide their true feelings.
From anyone else, this would feel like a bizarre response, but it's from you.
Have a good day sweetpea
@Zahlanzi saidDid Hamas send out flyers telling everyone to leave before they attacked? I am not the one here comparing how Hamas is equivalent to Israel that’s you!
Aaand we've arrived at the "there are no innocents in Gaza, just Hamas and hamas supporters which are the same thing". Only took you 2 posts. But there is no genocide. Sure we're killing indiscriminately from an entire group of people which are all the same and deserve the same treatment but no genocide, we are super careful not to target palestinian civilians. Which do not ...[text shortened]... How about that love ?
Would you say Jesus would be very disgusted by you or immensely disgusted?
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@Zahlanzi saidHere is some information you wont find in the media which will help you [unless you are beyond help] understand what is a high tech war works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKZnpmeHCPU&ab_channel=HasanReactions
Piers Morgan does (by accident or by some ancient voodoo magic) some journalism.
After an Israeli spokesperson brags about IDF having killed "around 14000" Hamas fighters, Piers asks him : "How many civilians have you killed" to which he answers "I don't know", and this goes on an on.
You can see ...[text shortened]... ilians we killed" while keeping to the IDF talking point "we are very careful not to kill civilians"
Israel uses AI to track the movements and behaviour of Palestinians. Often using their mobile phones. If a person seems to often be right in the middle of a Hamas force involved in a firefight with the IDF or often makes telephone calls to important Hamas leaders and similar behaviour they are awarded points. If they score enough points, they are labelled “Hamas”, and if they spend a length of time in a certain place, then Israel will have time to order an airstrike.
Hamas members that goes home to their family (which is a war crime, since they must separate themselves from civilians, even their own family) will spend enough time during a night to allow for a strike. There goes the private home, because the presence if the Hamas member makes the home a military target.
If Hamas are using schools as depots, then the schools will be visited often by Hamas members going there to pick up weapons and ammunitions. Such movement can be traced and designates the school as a target. Same procedure for hospitals. They need to be issued warnings before attacks, and such warnings have been issued.
Normally civilian targets are attacked because Hamas makes them military targets by their presence or by using them for military purposes. Some attacks may be mistakes.
It cannot be ruled out that individual IDF soldiers takes a pot shot at some innocent. It is not apparent that airstrikes are directed at what is considered a purely civilian building, but without access to the information available to Israel, noone outside can know if Israel are in fact targetting non-military targets.
Israel acknowledges that they can make mistakes, They do examine random cases and believe that AI is at a level that it makes about as many mistakes as human analyzis, but the AI can handle many more suspected Hamas.
If Hamas was following international laws and separating themselves from civilians, the number of civilians casualties would be drastically reduced.
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@Rajk999 saidIf Israel knows civilians are in that home (because of AI or whatever) they should not be targeting.
Here is some information you wont find in the media which will help you [unless you are beyond help] understand what is a high tech war works:
Israel uses AI to track the movements and behaviour of Palestinians. Often using their mobile phones. If a person seems to often be right in the middle of a Hamas force involved in a firefight with the IDF or often makes telep ...[text shortened]... g themselves from civilians, the number of civilians casualties would be drastically reduced.
If Hamas does not follow international law (clearly they aren't) does that give Israel the right to violate the same laws?
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@wildgrass saidWrong, then by your standards Hamas can escape, and clearly that is what you supporters of terrorists would like to see. It aint happening.
If Israel knows civilians are in that home (because of AI or whatever) they should not be targeting.
If Hamas does not follow international law (clearly they aren't) does that give Israel the right to violate the same laws?
According to the Geneva Convention, military must keep away from civilians otherwise the civilians and civilian buidings can justifiably become legitimate targets. Military hardware likewise must also not be in or installed in residential, educational or religious buildings otherwise they can also be attacked.
Its common sense. Why can you not see that.
@Rajk999 saidI can see that. But this justification for killing civilians doesn't change the fact that they are killing civilians.
Wrong, then by your standards Hamas can escape, and clearly that is what you supporters of terrorists would like to see. It aint happening.
According to the Geneva Convention, military must keep away from civilians otherwise the civilians and civilian buidings can justifiably become legitimate targets. Military hardware likewise must also not be in or installed in resid ...[text shortened]... gious buildings otherwise they can also be attacked.
Its common sense. Why can you not see that.
Just leave the US bombs out of it and I'm fine. Bibi can take it up with the Hague.
@wildgrass saidYou would make a great Hamas apologist, equating going into homes preselected to personally murder, rape, and torture babies to the elderly. Making a moral equivalence to combat, do you wear the head dress?
@kellyjay There's no moral difference between entering a home on foot to murder someone or doing it via airstrike.
The kill ratio is 30:1 in favor of Israel. How many more innocent Palestinian eyes are enough payback for one Israeli eye?
Yes they are killing Palestinian civilians. Nobody said otherwise. Killing civilians of the enemy when they are hiding among their own is allowed under the Geneva Convention and there is no court, ICJ included, that will find Israel guilty of war crimes in these circumstances. The civilians, the civilian buildings, mosques, hospitals, schools, alll lose their protected status when they allow military to hide in their protected spaces. They no longer have immunity.
The matter of the US financing some of Israel's hardware is between you and your govt. The rest of the world dont really care. With or without US help Israel will be fine. Rafah, the final stronghold of Hamas is currently getting beaten in the ground where they will stay. Civilians will die too. Hopefully the end is near.
Some extracts from the Geneva Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949", which states that
"Art. 28. The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations."
Attacks are allowed on viable military targets, regardless of the presence of protected persons or noncombattants. Also
"Art. 29. The Party to the conflict in whose hands protected persons may be, is responsible for the treatment accorded to them by its agents, irrespective of any individual responsibility which may be incurred."
It is the duty of the Party in whose hands the protected persons are to ensure that they receive responsible treatment. Using civilians as human shields means whoever does it or allows it is putting the civilians in harms way.
If Hamas is occupying a mosque, then that is no longer a mosque. Is a HQ or command centre of Hamas, regardless of the presence of civilians.
Its all common sense. For some reason, you see it, many cannot.
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@wildgrass saidAccording to Israeli records, "The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139."
The kill ratio is 30:1 in favor of Israel.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231215-israel-social-security-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths
However in the Israeli counter-offensive, there have been ~13,800 children dead out of 34,262 per Google.
So the Hamas attack generated a child mortality rate of ~3%
Israel's attack generated a child mortality rate of ~40%.
Who should we be supporting?
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@spruce112358 saidSimple ... Israel. Its a no brainer.
According to Israeli records, "The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139."
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231215-israel-social-security-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths
However in the Israeli counter-offensive, th ...[text shortened]... ~3%
Israel's attack generated a child mortality rate of ~40%.[/b]
Who should we be supporting?
Children under Hamas are going to grow up becoming terrorists, and supporters of terrorists. They are mostly uneducated, unproductive, lacking in skills, and will spend their lives trying to kill Jews, Americans, British and Europeans, in fact all infidels aka non-Muslims. They believe in Sharia Law, they abuse women, the kill members of the LGBQT. They suppress the basic human rights of people. Hamas and people unders Hamas are damaged people.
Children under Jews will grow up to be productive members of any society. They are intelligent hardworking and an asset to any country in which they find themselves.
These are the facts.