HS girl confronts bullies bullying another kid:

Originally posted by normbenign
Ok, so your a complete wimp, and will take whatever anyone dishes out in person. I will not. I have trained, not to use violence but to prevent and avoid it. I'm no tough guy, internet or in person.

And yet you feel the need to mutter darkly about using physical violence when you feel disrespected in a disagreement. What does either you or I being what you call a "complete wimp" have to do with anything? Your whole mindset and vocabulary makes you our resident e-thug. Not as bad as some of your predecessors, like Slim Jim and Sam The Sham, but cut from the same bit of internet cloth nevertheless.

Originally posted by normbenign
I doubt it is worth my time to search most modern studies for support on these conclusions, and where I found it would almost certainly be attacked as "right wing" propaganda sites, so you can keep on believing in no physical punishment ever, or do some research yourself.

Ah, so when it comes to your claims, we should just do our own research?

Originally posted by normbenign
From my entry into this thread, I only suggested that there is some historic evidence that the new age attitudes on the use of corporal punishment may not be totally sound. I have admitted that physical punishment is not the only tactic to be used, and believe personally that if used sparingly and at young ages, it is not required later on.

I doubt it ...[text shortened]... sonal anecdotal evidence, but FMF would probably call me a liar, and say the story is made up.

My main problem is that all you've really presented is various anecdotal evidence and there is a reason why anecdotal evidence isn't generally trustworthy - it's not anywhere near representative and it's prone to confirmation bias.

You may not find it worth your time to do research, but I have done some at least and I did post a real study. The study I posted doesn't even suggest that spanking is completely ineffective - just that it correlates strongly with some negative side effects.

You may think that any site you post might be dismissed as propaganda, but that doesn't mean that somehow we should just accept your anecdotes.

I don't think spanking can't be effective, I just think it's unnecessary and more dangerous since you can reach the same desired effect with less harm and risk.

The issue of discipline, or the lack thereof, is more complex than simply we don't use spanking enough anymore and I don't see any reason why simply making spanking more accepted or used will somehow solve the problem.

Originally posted by PsychoPawn
My main problem is that all you've really presented is various anecdotal evidence and there is a reason why anecdotal evidence isn't generally trustworthy - it's not anywhere near representative and it's prone to confirmation bias.

You may not find it worth your time to do research, but I have done some at least and I did post a real study. The study I ...[text shortened]... ason why simply making spanking more accepted or used will somehow solve the problem.

Are you sure you're really Strong Bad?

You sound like Marzipan 😕

Originally posted by FMF
And yet you feel the need to mutter darkly about using physical violence when you feel disrespected in a disagreement. What does either you or I being what you call a "complete wimp" have to do with anything? Your whole mindset and vocabulary makes you our resident e-thug. Not as bad as some of your predecessors, like Slim Jim and Sam The Sham, but cut from the same bit of internet cloth nevertheless.

While you talk about the cloth posters are made of in broad generalities, you find it necessary to return to a single sentence posted months ago, which was discussed in context at the time, and which you continue to call upon out of context. This is true e-thuggery.

You created a Topic heading based entirely on a provable falsehood, a lie, and have the nerve to accuse me of telling a lie about a personal tragedy. More e-thuggery. Your mindset, vocabulary, and technique make you not just an e-thug, but a mindless e-thug.

In this thread, we are discussing bullying, and differing styles of discipline, and you insist on making it a personal attack. Who is the e-thug?

Originally posted by normbenign
This is instructive, because FMF admits to knowing nothing of violent responses, but feels qualified to talk down to people who have actual
experience in various ways.

Nonsense. I have quite pointedly said nothing at all about my knowledge or experience of violent responses, except to say that violence stemming from a non-violent difference of opinion or argument is out of the question. You on the other hand have made mealy mouthed insinuations and allusions to your willingness to use violence because of anger or disrespect or disagreement several times. And here you are advocating physical violence against children "at young ages" because of theories you're too lazy to substantiate; as if to say, only you - Internet Tough Guy - understands violence, all else is "New Age". You're right, you ought to feel talked down to. So did e-thugs like Sam The Sham and Slim Jim, who hinted murkily at their "actual experience" of violence when talking to people who did not respect them.

Originally posted by normbenign
In this thread, we are discussing bullying, and differing styles of discipline, and you insist on making it a personal attack. Who is the e-thug?

Well I contend that it is you. So you advocate beating young children. Were you beaten as a young child? You like anecdotes.

Originally posted by PsychoPawn
My main problem is that all you've really presented is various anecdotal evidence and there is a reason why anecdotal evidence isn't generally trustworthy - it's not anywhere near representative and it's prone to confirmation bias.

You may not find it worth your time to do research, but I have done some at least and I did post a real study. The study I ...[text shortened]... ason why simply making spanking more accepted or used will somehow solve the problem.

I simply believe that the subject matter is too complex to be settled here. Our only disagreement seems to be that there is still any place for physical punishment as a part of disciplinary regiments.

The human species is at least somewhat violent. Any attempt to deny this in our approaches to life in general, or rearing of children produces adults without the ability to deal with realities of life.

I'd like to think that I can talk my way out of any trouble, but the reality is that I can't. I also seriously try that before other options.

On child discipline, people make mistakes using too much, too little, or wrongly applied punishments of every kind. Parenting doesn't come with an extensive user manual, and many of the so called experts have little practical experience or none at all.

Originally posted by FMF
Well I contend that it is you. So you advocate beating young children. Were you beaten as a young child? You like anecdotes.

That is your mindless conclusion, and I don't wish to continue a discussion mindlessly. I think it is you who is the e-thug, the one who has driven off other posters in the past.

Originally posted by FMF
Nonsense. I have quite pointedly said nothing at all about my knowledge or experience of violent responses, except to say that violence stemming from a non-violent difference of opinion or argument is out of the question. You on the other hand have made mealy mouthed insinuations and allusions to your willingness to use violence because of anger or disrespect or ...[text shortened]... t their "actual experience" of violence when talking to people who did not respect them.

Yeh, but you drove off these people, and somehow claim to be non violent? You are violent in your intentions, and practices to whatever extent that you can manage.

Originally posted by normbenign
That is your mindless conclusion, and I don't wish to continue a discussion mindlessly. I think it is you who is the e-thug, the one who has driven off other posters in the past.

It's telling how you come up one anecdote short in this matter. Was your father "New Age" or did he beat "respect" into you? We can see how you turned out. We just need the anecdote from your family history to put it together and see if your theories on beating young children are valid, in the absence of any other kind of evidence from you.

Originally posted by normbenign
Yeh, but you drove off these people, and somehow claim to be non violent?

Slim Jim and Sam The Sham never threatened me with violence on the forum. Do you think the web site banning them was an act of violence?

Originally posted by normbenign
I simply believe that the subject matter is too complex to be settled here. Our only disagreement seems to be that there is still any place for physical punishment as a part of disciplinary regiments.

The human species is at least somewhat violent. Any attempt to deny this in our approaches to life in general, or rearing of children produces adults ...[text shortened]... er manual, and many of the so called experts have little practical experience or none at all.

I simply believe that the subject matter is too complex to be settled here.

Like most issues, I think that's true.

The human species is at least somewhat violent. Any attempt to deny this in our approaches to life in general, or rearing of children produces adults without the ability to deal with realities of life.

No one is advocating hiding or denying the fact that humans can tend to be violent, at least I don't see any in this thread. Not beating your children does not amount to denying that violence exists.

Parenting doesn't come with an extensive user manual, and many of the so called experts have little practical experience or none at all.

True. That's why I think comprehensive sex ed and the free availability of birth control is so important - so we have fewer percentage of kids born to parents who don't want to and aren't prepared to have them.

Originally posted by normbenign
That is your mindless conclusion, and I don't wish to continue a discussion mindlessly. I think it is you who is the e-thug, the one who has driven off other posters in the past.

All FMF knows is to debate by avoiding a true debate. He will ignore any good points you present and insist that you don't ignore any of his points. That is his M.O.

Don't allow him to exercise his double standards and he will reveal himself for what he is. He counts on you to always respond to his points while ignoring yours. This allows him to take advantage of your willingness to debate him on his terms. He is really very weak and feeble.

Originally posted by Metal Brain
This allows him to take advantage of your willingness to debate him on his terms. He is really very weak and feeble.

But at least I never insinuate that physical violence would be a correct response when I feel disrespected.