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15 Jun 21
16 Jun 21
@earl-of-trumps saidAnother brilliant idea from the Authoritarian Desk.
If they are really worried about the people they claim they are helping, why don't they just limit the types of foods they can get.
If the recipient wants junk food after that, let them use cash. Let us remember, it is a food supplement program.
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16 Jun 21
@eladar saidTime to invest in bullet manufacturers then, eh?
@AverageJoe1
When robots can finially do the low level jobs that the very poor have been doing, fewer and fewer people will be needed. This means that many many people will no longer need to exist. It is the end game for the elites.
You're sick.
16 Jun 21
@very-musty saidWho are you and what have you done with VM?
@AverageJoe1
I'm sure you have used a self checkout at the grocery store...
You eliminated someone's job when you did that.
You have used a bank machine...
Why not go inside the bank so a teller can keep their job?
I'm sure you have been to a fast food joint and used the touch screen to order instead of going to the counter...
Another person's job eliminated... ...[text shortened]... e rich and you won't be able to stop it.
Automation is the enemy.
Rich people's greed causes it.
16 Jun 21
@very-musty saidWell, capitalism is the system. It didn’t create itself.
"Second of all, if you create and maintain a system where it’s impossible for creatures to sustain themselves within that system, they will sustain themselves outside of the system.
If you don’t want that, you better sustain them"
-Shavixmir
From that I understand it to be...
Capitalism created a system where over time the rich eliminated jobs to cut costs and usua ...[text shortened]... r people taking what rich people have...by force if necessary.
Which I wholeheartedly agree with.
As for the rest of your post: exactly.
You don’t want a revolution? You pay.
16 Jun 21
@earl-of-trumps saidOh no, you can't have the govt telling people what food they can buy. That'd be unAmerican. Besides, if food coupons were valid only for certain foods, let's say bread and water, someone would file suit for damages because he was hydrophobic and had an allergy to wheat.
If they are really worried about the people they claim they are helping, why don't they just limit the types of foods they can get.
If the recipient wants junk food after that, let them use cash. Let us remember, it is a food supplement program.
16 Jun 21
@moonbus saidPlease, moonbus. We can't tell people what to buy, I agree. But we can tell them WHAT WE WILL GIVE TO THEM.
Oh no, you can't have the govt telling people what food they can buy. That'd be unAmerican. Besides, if food coupons were valid only for certain foods, let's say bread and water, someone would file suit for damages because he was hydrophobic and had an allergy to wheat.
Remember, foodstamps is not a RIGHT. it is a gift.
And court suits. lol, Of course! you can't deprive an individual of their Devil Dog and bon-bon addiction. How cruel.
Like I say, it is a supplemental food program, not a "everything you desire" program.
For their junk food, let them do what everyone else does, use CASH. Ok, Ok, let them spend 5% on junk. Fair enough?
16 Jun 21
@dood111 saidFruits and vegetables rot quickly and you can't buy any hot food with SNAP when you live in a tent on the sidewalk fresh fruit is not efficient
When I was teaching I'd work during the summers at mini-marts, and people with SNAP cards would come in and load up on chips cookies cheese whiz candy bars soda pop and other assorted junk food. All of them fat AF. Going to a supermarket and buying fresh fruits and vegetables was out of the question.
McDonalds and other fast food places take SNAP cards in California and Arizona, and do a big business accepting them.
16 Jun 21
@athousandyoung saidThe homeless have to be a different category because they have no refrigeration or stove to cook on.
Fruits and vegetables rot quickly and you can't buy any hot food with SNAP when you live in a tent on the sidewalk fresh fruit is not efficient
But Dood brings up a point, these people will sometimes shop in expensive quick marts. that should be banned
and then, they won't be running out of stamps in week 3. That happens a lot with them.
These people generally, are pretty unable to take proper care of themselves and they need to be urged sometimes.
16 Jun 21
@very-musty saidObviously, a Corp will use automation, the word Probably came from Henry Ford when he invented the ‘auto’ assembly line. But you make the issue to be that of using robots, to take the place of workers who don’t want that job.
@AverageJoe1
I'm sure you have used a self checkout at the grocery store...
You eliminated someone's job when you did that.
You have used a bank machine...
Why not go inside the bank so a teller can keep their job?
I'm sure you have been to a fast food joint and used the touch screen to order instead of going to the counter...
Another person's job eliminated... ...[text shortened]... e rich and you won't be able to stop it.
Automation is the enemy.
Rich people's greed causes it.
If workers are just not there, the Corp needs to shut its doors, or.....OR,,,,,buy robots. And, human nature and Corp nature being what it is, they will go the cheapest route, so that YOU will get a good price for your Gameboy, frisbee, or whatever.
Yes it is a problem, but who are you blaming it on? Seriously.
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16 Jun 21
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@averagejoe1 saidCorporate greed is to blame.
Obviously, a Corp will use automation, the word Probably came from Henry Ford when he invented the ‘auto’ assembly line. But you make the issue to be that of using robots, to take the place of workers who don’t want that job.
If workers are just not there, the Corp needs to shut its doors, or.....OR,,,,,buy robots. And, human nature and Corp nature being what it is ...[text shortened]... Gameboy, frisbee, or whatever.
Yes it is a problem, but who are you blaming it on? Seriously.
You said people don't want those jobs so companies use robots?
So the "self checkout" machine at the grocery stores is there because nobody wants to be a cashier?
Wrong...the self checkout is there so the owner doesn't have to pay an employee.
The automobile industry brought in robots to make more profits. No assembly workers to pay means more profits. Look at Detroit now 😆
CEO's don't need millions a year just to sit at a desk.
So either bring in a universal basic income or sit and watch the capitalist dream crumble and collapse.
16 Jun 21
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@very-musty saidNever have gotten corporate greed. What do you expect successful corps to do? Start sharing profits with employees? Collectivism? Same everything for everyone? Equality? Equity? How sweet. Imagine the stock selloffs!!!!!! hahah
Corporate greed is to blame.
You said people don't want those jobs so companies use robots?
So the "self checkout" machine at the grocery stores is there because nobody wants to be a cashier
So either bring in a universal basic income or sit and watch the capitalist dream crumble and collapse.
Really, what do they do? You yourself likely have a 401K, making you an investor in a corporation. What do you want that corporation to do, on the road to deflating your stock value?????
As to Universal Basic income, (you are weird, Musty), if 500 of us live on an island and some of the citizens 'sit and watch', to use your phrase, while the rest of us pay them UBI, do you not think 'the capitalist dream will crumble and collapse??" Hey Musty, do you not think that ANY economy will crumble and collapse? I would like to enroll you in my economics class,, but first you apparently need Econ 101!!!!
16 Jun 21
@averagejoe1 saidCEO makes 278 times what the average worker at their company does.
Never have gotten corporate greed. What do you expect successful corps to do? Start sharing profits with employees? Collectivism? Same everything for everyone? Equality? Equity? How sweet. Imagine the stock selloffs!!!!!! hahah
Really, what do they do? You yourself likely have a 401K, making you an investor in a corporation. What do you want that corporation t ...[text shortened]... pse? I would like to enroll you in my economics class,, but first you apparently need Econ 101!!!!
CEO pay has increased 1,008% between 1978 and 2018, while typical worker pay has edged up 12%.CEO pay has increased 1,008% between 1978 and 2018, while typical worker pay has edged up 12%.
In 2018, CEOs in the country’s top 350 businesses were paid $17.2 million on average. Employees working in those industries — ranging from retail to technology and manufacturing — typically earned $64,500, researchers said.
Overall, there’s a 278-to-1 pay ratio between workers and CEOs. In 1989, the compensation ratio was 58-to-1 and in 1965, it was 20-to-1.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ceos-are-paid-278-times-more-than-the-average-us-worker-2019-08-15
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16 Jun 21
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@AverageJoe1
No Joe... capitalism won't collapse because if you put a limit on wealth people may quit the game but many more will accept the limitations and enjoy the wealth that they can earn.
By your logic a rich man will quit being rich just because he can't keep getting richer?
Wrong.
Plenty of people will accept the limits and strive for that limit.
So what if current rich people quit and stocks sell.
Plenty of people will step up and enjoy the opportunity to succeed.
For example... sports.
We say no athletes can make more than 1 million a year.
So they quit.
Big deal...😆
Plenty of athletes will play for that 1 million.
Y'all pouters can go sulk on some island.