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@sonhouse saidYou need to show people that? Nonsense.
@Rajk999
They have to be shown it is in the interest of peace to conduct themselves civilly and the same with Israel. There should be a two state solution with oversight seeing how the Palestinians put in writing and actions about hating Jews and killing them.
And the same with Israel. Do you think, for instance, it was ok for the Israeli's to summarily kick out Palestinia ...[text shortened]... land in say Montana on the border, take over a few miles of it and build a new town there? That ok?
This is false. ..
Do you think, for instance, it was ok for the Israeli's to summarily kick out Palestinians from their lands, take over their houses and build the settlements on formerly Palestinian territory?
Show me from the history .. Wiki or some other source etc, where this is actually what happened.
You are twisting the facts like Mr Spruce and No1maurader etc
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@Rajk999
Tell me Mr Raj, did you ever live in Israel? I saw that crap up close and personal, saw the new settlement being built on former Palestinian lands and don't take that as I approve of Palestinians wanting the death of Israel as a country, that is a totally different subject.
I SAW the former olive groves belonging to Palestinians plowed up and new Israeli housing put in their place.
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@sonhouse saidWe cannot carry on a discussion based on hearsay and personal experience. Im impressed that you were there to witness a few things but in the end facts and truth is what matters.
@Rajk999
Tell me Mr Raj, did you ever live in Israel? I saw that crap up close and personal, saw the new settlement being built on former Palestinian lands and don't take that as I approve of Palestinians wanting the death of Israel as a country, that is a totally different subject.
I SAW the former olive groves belonging to Palestinians plowed up and new Israeli housing put in their place.
This is nice but it is still hearsay .. I saw that crap up close and personal, saw the new settlement being built on former Palestinian lands
This is better ... In 1996, Israel built a Jewish settlement in Nahala, and evicted the Palestinians. Here is the link : www........................................com
I am happy to discuss facts. Opinions and hearsay ... is a waste of time.
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@Rajk999
Ok then you are saying I am lying. I was FRIGGING THERE and saw the bulldozers plowing up former olive groves.
I guess you figure this is fake news also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement#:~:text=According%20to%20reports%20on%20Israel,settlement%20in%20the%20West%20Bank.
I was curious, are you even Jewish?
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@sonhouse saidIts not a matter of whether or not you are lying at all. You are not understanding what Im saying. A man could be in Gaza and witness the destruction and conclude that the Jews are evil. The whole story of why something happens is critical for there to be truthful reporting, The truth is that the current attack in Gaza has its roots in what happened on Oct 7th.
@Rajk999
Ok then you are saying I am lying. I was FRIGGING THERE and saw the bulldozers plowing up former olive groves.
I guess you figure this is fake news also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement#:~:text=According%20to%20reports%20on%20Israel,settlement%20in%20the%20West%20Bank.
I was curious, are you even Jewish?
You witnessing bulldozers plowing up olive groves does not give the background to the story. What is the story of why it happened.
There are times the IDF goes into a village and destroys a few houses. What is the story behind that. The person with the knowledge of why, knows the truth. The person who relies on what happens in front of him knows nothing.
The Bedoiuns in the Negev have a problem with Israel. They claim that the Negev is their land. That cannot happen. They cannot own large plots of land claiming that their grandparents owned it.
People leaving Israel in 1948 cannot return 75 years later and claim anything.
What I am, Jew or otherwise is irrelevant.
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@Rajk999 saidMoslim?
Then leave, but like a typical Muslim people must conform to your beliefs or you want to kill them... sicko.
I’m the most atheist person on this focking forum.
You really have your head up your ar…
Oh wait. Yes. I am no longer responding to you. Bye. Fock off and suck yer mum’s skanky, bleeding arse.
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@Rajk999 saidWhat's that you say?
People leaving Israel in 1948 cannot return 75 years later and claim anything.
😀
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@shavixmir saidYou can profess to be whatever you like. The point is that you are a Jew-hater and a supporter of Islamic terrorists. Please keep responding, so that you can make yourself look more stupid.
Moslim?
I’m the most atheist person on this focking forum.
You really have your head up your ar…
Oh wait. Yes. I am no longer responding to you. Bye. Fock off and suck yer mum’s skanky, bleeding arse.
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@spruce112358 saidThey have no right of return. Tough. Countries have the right to formulate their own immigration policies. In most countries I know, where the authorities are smart they would not allowed potential terrorists or their descendents to return to live within their borders.
What's that you say?
😀
So its : APPLICATION DENIED. GTFO !!!
But I know people like you want to see these sickos back in Israel.
There is a whole long list of reasons I can give you why these Arabs who left in 1948 [there was no expression called 'Palestinian' back then], do not deserve to return. But I wont bother. Remember that the surrounding Arab states expelled millions of Jews after the 1948 War of Independence. This was a retaliatory move by the Arabs to get back at the Jews .. as if anyone wants to live among Islamic extremists. Do you think any Jew wants to return to those states or to claim that they are refugees from Saudi Arabia? Lol ... no way.
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@Rajk999 saidSomebody else tell him about the Jews who left a place and then claimed the absolute right to go back... 2000 years later!
They have no right of return. Tough. Countries have the right to formulate their own immigration policies. In most countries I know, where the authorities are smart they would not allowed potential terrorists or their descendents to return to live within their borders.
So its : APPLICATION DENIED. GTFO !!!
But I know people like you want to see these sickos back in ...[text shortened]... nts to return to those states or to claim that they are refugees from Saudi Arabia? Lol ... no way.
I'm not going to do it. 😀
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@spruce112358 saidThe Jews started returning to Palestine, buying up property, from as early as 1890 right up until 1948 when the British Crown, owners of that piece of land, partitioned it. They returned to the portion the UN approved for them.
Somebody else tell him about the Jews who left a place and then claimed the absolute right to go back... 2000 years later!
I'm not going to do it. 😀
They did not beg anyone or need to ask permission. In those days anyone could have bought land and settle in that region.
That lie about Palestine belonging to the Arabs is just your fantasy, as is Palestinians having the right to return.
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@Rajk999
The weird thing about Palestinians is the Arab world treats them as third class citizens. For instance, there is plenty of land they could have in Jordan, the tiny plot of land in Gaza is not good for millions of residents, but the Jordanian government refuses to give them any. That would solve a lot of problems and they could have ten times the land and Jordan would hardly feel the difference but the class difference makes the Jordanians say no, forget it.
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@sonhouse saidWell that is a complicated story. First as far as I am concerned they are in fact 3rd class citizens. They are obsessed with killing Jews. No sane govt want these mad terrorists in their country. Palestinians did carry Jordanian passports prior to 1988. It was only when Hamas came into existence that this facility was revoked. I need to read up a bit more on this.
@Rajk999
The weird thing about Palestinians is the Arab world treats them as third class citizens. For instance, there is plenty of land they could have in Jordan, the tiny plot of land in Gaza is not good for millions of residents, but the Jordanian government refuses to give them any. That would solve a lot of problems and they could have ten times the land and Jordan would hardly feel the difference but the class difference makes the Jordanians say no, forget it.
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@sonhouse saidSome Muslims are moderate and they believe the Quran when it stated that God gave that land to the Jews. So they steer clear of the Palestinians nonsense. These Arabs in Palestine have few loose screws and they are very aware of the fact that they can never beat Israel. But they are suicidal and stupid.
@Rajk999
But the entire Arab world had the same goal as soon as Israel was born in '47. And just recently they figured out it is better not to have wars with Israel because they suck at war.