22 Mar 09
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Originally posted by Thequ1ckAs for the first request for statistics:
Statistics and sources please for HIV.
Yes certain types of heterosexual sex are perverted, of course they are.
[b]Therefore, using HIV as a justification for the claim that homosexuality is a "perversion"
I've done no such thing. Only voiced a concern.
Of course such an argument doesn't account for the non-sexual aspects of homosexuality ...[text shortened]... t don't contribute considerably to the spread of HIV.
Sources and statistics please.[/b]
Overall, in the United States, of the approximately 550 000 cases of AIDS in 2003,
"48% tracked back to male-male sexual contact
27% tracked back to male-female sexual contact and IV drug use
7% tracked back to male-male sexual contact and IV drug use
16% tracked back to male-female sexual contact
2% other causes"
Apparently, in the US, there is indeed a majority of cases attributed to male homosexual contact.
However, consider that in South Africa, with many more cases, around 1 in 4 pregnant women is HIV positive, around 2.5 times the prevalence in the general population.
In India, according to the article listed below, there are "states with mainly heterosexual transmission (85😵...to some states where IV drug use is the main route of transmission".
In Nigeria, with 2.6 million cases, "Youth and young adults in Nigeria are particularly vulnerable to HIV, with young women at higher risk than young men." It seems unlikely that these women are getting HIV from other women, since female-female sexual contact is comparatively less risky, as the American statistics indicate.
In Zimbabwe, transmission is "primarily through heterosexual contact and mother-to-child transmission".
In Russia, "83% of cases were registered among injecting drug users, 6% among sex workers and 5% among prisoners".
Finally, according to the last article on this list, the majority of HIV in Sub-Saharan Africa, which accounts for a majority of the world's cases, is transmitted via heterosexual contact. Even if the rest of the world's HIV demographics are similar to the US (and the article, as well as the statistic about IV drug use in Russia suggests that there is much more variability from place to place), this would still give a plurality to heterosexual transmission.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_United_States#Current_status
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_South_Africa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_India
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_Nigeria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_Russia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_pandemic#An_overview_of_regions_with_large_infected_populations
Your second request for sources is incoherent; I said that:
1. An argument for labelling homosexuality as "perverted" based on the spread of HIV (and I am not saying you made one, I am just discussing the features of such an argument, since you brought up HIV) has nothing to say about the aspects of homosexuality which do not have to do with sex and
2. A monogamous, HIV-negative homosexual couple, for example, cannot possibly contribute to the spread of HIV, so if their sexual behaviour is "perverted", the justification of the label cannot depend on the HIV risk.
Both of these are structural claims about a justification for the "perversion" label based on the HIV risk. To dispute these two points factually entails claiming either that there are no aspects of homosexuality which are non-sexual or that there are no monogamous homosexual HIV-negative couples. I'd like to see sources for those claims 😕.
What types of consensual heterosexual sex are perverted and why? There is only one sexual perversion, and it is coercion.
22 Mar 09
Originally posted by ChronicLeakyThat's absolute w**k and you know it!
As for the first request for statistics:
Overall, in the United States, of the approximately 550 000 cases of AIDS in 2003,
"48% tracked back to male-male sexual contact
27% tracked back to male-female sexual contact and IV drug use
7% tracked back to male-male sexual contact and IV drug use
16% tracked back to male-female sexual contact ...[text shortened]... perverted and why? There is only one sexual perversion, and it is coercion.
22 Mar 09
Originally posted by ChronicLeakyNo I didn't read the whole thing. I took a whiff.
What? Did you read the whole thing? I ask because your second request for statistics indicates that you had trouble parsing the sentences in my previous post.
Like I said I'm drunk as hell at them moment and can't be bothered pointing out
light switches to the blind.
I will, however, make a point of taking this tosh to pieces tomorrow morning.
22 Mar 09
Originally posted by Thequ1ckgood points.
Can't get the link working;
How can it be more complicated than influence?
I'm serious, if homosexuality is show to have genetic influenece,
as a drug user I want equal rights. Until then I want more rights.
Why should I be turned down for a lung transplant after a lifetime of smoking
when the guy in the bed next to me is getting unlimited HIV drugs for a disease
he got whilst being promiscuous?
23 Mar 09
Originally posted by Thequ1ckThere is nothing wrong with the link.
Can't get the link working;
How can it be more complicated than influence?
I'm serious, if homosexuality is show to have genetic influenece,
as a drug user I want equal rights. Until then I want more rights.
Why should I be turned down for a lung transplant after a lifetime of smoking
when the guy in the bed next to me is getting unlimited HIV drugs for a disease
he got whilst being promiscuous?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/genes/
23 Mar 09
Originally posted by generalissimoreally? you serious? you honestly believe that "i am worthier to live than the guy next to me " is a valid human sentiment? that we should let people die or save them based on the choices they made in life?
good points.
i think you two should get married. you are perfect for each other. oh i am so sorry, i meant you should get unioned or partnershiped
23 Mar 09
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Originally posted by Zahlanzireally? you serious? you honestly believe that "i am worthier to live than the guy next to me " is a valid human sentiment? that we should let people die or save them based on the choices they made in life?
[b]really? you serious? you honestly believe that "i am worthier to live than the guy next to me " is a valid human sentiment? that we should let people die or save them based on the choices they made in life?
In some cases, yes.
i think you two should get married. you are perfect for each other. oh i am so sorry, i meant you should get unioned or partnershiped
I think you should grow up.
23 Mar 09
Originally posted by generalissimoif you believe i am not grown up then perhaps i am just where i need to be. it is not like i am gonna loose any sleep over what a self righteous redneck prick thinks.
[b]really? you serious? you honestly believe that "i am worthier to live than the guy next to me " is a valid human sentiment? that we should let people die or save them based on the choices they made in life?
In some cases, yes.
i think you two should get married. you are perfect for each other. oh i am so sorry, i meant you should get unioned or partnershiped
I think you should grow up.[/b]
tell me one thing, if "in some cases" one person is worthier to live than you will you die for your conviction? will you blow your brains out or will you let that person do it. and if someone less worthy is in the hospital bed next to you, will you execute him/her yourself? and how will you justify yourself? "sorry but you are a queer, you deserve to die so that i may live."
scum of the earth you are.
23 Mar 09
Originally posted by Zahlanziit is not like i am gonna loose any sleep over what a self righteous redneck prick thinks.
if you believe i am not grown up then perhaps i am just where i need to be. it is not like i am gonna loose any sleep over what a self righteous redneck prick thinks.
tell me one thing, if "in some cases" one person is worthier to live than you will you die for your conviction? will you blow your brains out or will you let that person do it. and if som ...[text shortened]... y but you are a queer, you deserve to die so that i may live."
scum of the earth you are.
You can't post without adding insults that are totally surreal, like "redneck", thats why I think you're just an immature bafoon.
tell me one thing, if "in some cases" one person is worthier to live than you will you die for your conviction? will you blow your brains out or will you let that person do it. and if someone less worthy is in the hospital bed next to you, will you execute him/her yourself?
You misunderstood me, Its not about who kills who, its about who gets the priority.
To think that I should literally execute the person next to me is very childish.
scum of the earth you are.
You sound more hateful than anyone here, and yet you call me the "scum of the earth", LOL.
Im not asking for your approval, Im only asking you to actually understand my point, and that I thought q1uick's post had some interesting points of view that should be discussed.
You however, are incapable of doing that, you only reply with childish insults, and moronic interpretations of what I said.
You should just shut the hell up, instead of wasting my time.
23 Mar 09
Originally posted by generalissimoyour time shall not be wasted anymore o great scum of the earth. you are from now on free to crawl through the hate you call an existence. and of course, i do hope your son turns out to be gay. karma and all that. live long and prosper oh he with red neck.
[b] it is not like i am gonna loose any sleep over what a self righteous redneck prick thinks.
You can't post without adding insults that are totally surreal, like "redneck", thats why I think you're just an immature bafoon.
tell me one thing, if "in some cases" one person is worthier to live than you will you die for your conviction? will y ...[text shortened]... ations of what I said.
You should just shut the hell up, instead of wasting my time.
"To think that I should literally execute the person next to me is very childish"
the one next to you, the unworthy one has been waiting for a transplat much longer than you. but you are more worthy to live. therefore you get the transplant. and you won't even put him out of his misery, tsk tsk. how about meeting him? will you do that? explain to him why you are so much better, that the transplant would simply be wasted on him, that he should be proud to have died for you. and since it is childish to assume you will execute him yourself, assure him that his executioner will be around shortly. or not.