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Is the 9mm the best pistol cartridge for defense?

Is the 9mm the best pistol cartridge for defense?

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Thanks. My mom was shot but a glancing blow to her head and step dad shot in the back, just missed his spine, he is nearly deaf and the gang came in and Carl did not see or hear them, had a customer paying up, he bent down to get a bag, they thought he was reaching for a gun, the only gun was a shotgun in a back room, so they shot him aimed right at his back as he ...[text shortened]... places and the guy who killed my dad mysteriously died with a shiv and nobody got charged with THAT.
The Salton Sea is just a bunch of abandoned buildings and meth labs what kind of business was your family in?

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Ah, so you think you really know the area, the businesses are up hwy 86 skirting the Salton sea and it is a bit barren, they had a grocery/gas station, small mom and pop outfit. I imagine the 86 corridor is a lot more built up now but I imagine they have trouble getting water, drought really bad out there. Here in Pennsylvania if anything we have the opposite problem, rains all the time, we get the rain California and Arizona NEEDS.

https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/2022/05/13/lithium-valley-look-major-players-near-salton-sea-seeking-billions-funding/9665978002/

Looks like they are calling the area Lithium valley now, and it looks a lot greener than I remember, must be springtime when they took that photo.

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Apparently it's past Palm Springs. Coachella is there so there's that (big concert events regularly, every year I think?) Back in the 80s Palm Springs was where Girls Go Wild but then the old farts who lived there shut all that debauchery down. Looks to be about 1/3-1/2 of the distance from LA to Phoenix down the 10 (which goes coast to coast, amazing isn't it?)

Mexicali is just south across the border from the Salton Sea.

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@jj-adams said
The Salton Sea is just a bunch of abandoned buildings and meth labs what kind of business was your family in?
Even meth cowboys have to eat.

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@suzianne said
Blocky they may be, but they're light. I don't need a gun to be elegant.

I have a small G43 (1.25 lbs., with loaded mag) I can put in my purse, even a small purse, and it doesn't feel like a copy of War and Peace.

And no, I've never had to pull it on anyone. Last resort stuff, as it should be.

AFAIK, though, Browning doesn't make a 9mm.
Yeah it definitely did though, wether it does now I wouldn’t know, I’d only carry a gun if someone was paying me to.
Interestingly I just researched it and the actual manufacturer is the Belgian company FN who also made the 7.62 SLR which was my regular weapon in my army days. (1970s)
The pistol in question is definitely the Browning 9mm though after the American who designed and created it.

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@kevcvs57 said
Yeah it definitely did though, wether it does now I wouldn’t know, I’d only carry a gun if someone was paying me to.
Interestingly I just researched it and the actual manufacturer is the Belgian company FN who also made the 7.62 SLR which was my regular weapon in my army days. (1970s)
The pistol in question is definitely the Browning 9mm though after the American who designed and created it.
Well, it's not being made now, only through special orders. But yeah, Browning and FN had a tight relationship back in the day.

Right now, on their website, Browning is only selling .22 and .380 models.

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@jj-adams said
I got into handguns in the Army when I was handed a .45 Colt 1911 Auto in Vietnam, along with an M16.
Since 1970 onwards, I poo-Poo'd the "puny 9mm" other military handguns were chambered for because of its chitty ballistics at the time.
That was 50 years ago, and now the 9mm Luger is the absolute best military/police/defense cartridge in the world according to it's record of stopping power.
Anybody disagree?
I don't own a handgun anymore, but when I did, I preferred a model 1911 .45 auto, I loaded it with 10% more powder than the standard load. Hit something with a hot load .45 and it won't be getting up again.

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@mchill said
I don't own a handgun anymore, but when I did, I preferred a model 1911 .45 auto, I loaded it with 10% more powder than the standard load. Hit something with a hot load .45 and it won't be getting up again.
Gotta respect a gun that has survived in use nearly unchanged for over 100 years.

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@mchill said
I don't own a handgun anymore, but when I did, I preferred a model 1911 .45 auto, I loaded it with 10% more powder than the standard load. Hit something with a hot load .45 and it won't be getting up again.
I've done a huge amount of reloading the .45 ACP..
Do you remember the powder you were using?

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@athousandyoung said
Gotta respect a gun that has survived in use nearly unchanged for over 100 years.
Too heavy, too big, too loud and too powerful.

There are many options more fitting to the need than this old Colt. It's past its time. After the Civil War, the old Navy Colt revolver stuck around until WW1, too.

I get it, it's familiar, it's standard and ammo was plentiful. These are qualities the 9mms have today.

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@Suzianne
How about the magnum desert eagle 50 caliber pistol, anyone see one of those?

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@sonhouse said
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How about the magnum desert eagle 50 caliber pistol, anyone see one of those?
Holy crap, I wouldn't even try firing one of those. I picked one up once (making damn sure the safety was on). It was like holding a ton of lead in my hand. Not feasible for me. Prolly knock me on my ass, too.

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I saw a vid of a dude firing one and it really kicked back and he was not a shrimp either.



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@suzianne said
Holy crap, I wouldn't even try firing one of those. I picked one up once (making damn sure the safety was on). It was like holding a ton of lead in my hand. Not feasible for me. Prolly knock me on my ass, too.
Yeah the Desert Eagle 50 cals are stupid huge and heavy, with way too much recoil/power/muzzle flash for any application other than gee-whiz bragging rights.
Most common excuse for these monstrosities is that they are for dangerous game, but if that's the case a rifle would be a much better choice. If weight/portability is the prime consideration then a big-bore carbine would be almost as easy to carry and much more effective.

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@suzianne said
Too heavy, too big, too loud and too powerful.

There are many options more fitting to the need than this old Colt. It's past its time. After the Civil War, the old Navy Colt revolver stuck around until WW1, too.

I get it, it's familiar, it's standard and ammo was plentiful. These are qualities the 9mms have today.
I think it’s easy to suppress because subsonic

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