Justification for Abortion

Originally posted by Arachnarchist
It's not justfied. that's all there is to it. Its a matter of convenience. It allows women who get pregnant to treat getting pregnant like a parking ticket. You pay a few bucks and your free. you don't have to take any other responsibility. It's stupid but it's true.
Abortion = paying parking ticket.

An abortion takes an individual human beings life. A parking ticket does not. That analogy doesn't work except for people who want to continue to hide the fact of what abortion really kills.

Originally posted by Squelchbelch
A human embryo is a potential human being, since at least 25% of pregnancies are miscarried naturally before the 6th week. (Wilcox AJ, Baird DD, Weinberg CR (1999). Time of implantation of the conceptus and loss of pregnancy.)

Again a bad analogy as you have a human being and if the stats are right then 25% of them die naturally in miscarriages.

Just because some of them don't make it to birth does not mean that they are not human beings/human persons.

Originally posted by eagleeye222001
Science backs me up.

Lol, No, Merriam Webster backs you up. I notice also that you edited out 3 or 4 of the listings for the definition of person. Why is that?
Science doesn't back you up, because science simply says things how they are, it does not posit morals on its findings. We've agreed several times that the foetus is composed of human cells with their own genetic makeup. What we don't agree on is a moral and philosophical question, not a scientific question.
That question is (feel free to correct me)...
"Does the termination of a pregnancy, at any stage after conception qualify as murder?"
I've left it nice and vague, but I think you'll agree that that's what we're discussing, and that science can't answer questions like that. Science can be used as part of your larger arguments.
With no anatomical or psychological similarities to human beings can we afford the term human being? That's like calling a caterpillar a butterfly. They are two different things. One happens to have a conscious ability tointeract with their environment and understand it. The other does not. We are more than our biology. If I terminate the biology before its "software" is up and running, I'm doing just that, terminating biology, not a human being as you or I know them.

Originally posted by eagleeye222001
Again a bad analogy as you have a human being and if the stats are right then 25% of them die naturally in miscarriages.

Just because some of them don't make it to birth does not mean that they are not human beings/human persons.

True, till people consciously time their copulation to ensure it ends in such a miscarriage. Exactly the same people who tend to admonish abortions. A rather unpleasant irony there.

Originally posted by eagleeye222001
Again a bad analogy as you have a human being and if the stats are right then 25% of them die naturally in miscarriages.

Just because some of them don't make it to birth does not mean that they are not human beings/human persons.

Wordweb online has this definition:

Human being
1. Any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae characterized by superior intelligence, articulate speech, and erect carriage
- homo, man, human

Which of these characteristics does an unborn baby satisfy?

"Human person" is a phrase that goes even further in my opinion. It indicates a distinct personality & since personality develops through experience & intelligence you are wide of the mark trying to use emotionally charged language like this.

Originally posted by Arachnarchist
It's not justfied. that's all there is to it. Its a matter of convenience. It allows women who get pregnant to treat getting pregnant like a parking ticket. You pay a few bucks and your free. you don't have to take any other responsibility. It's stupid but it's true.
Abortion = paying parking ticket.

And you would have them (women with unwanted pregnancies) pay for this heinous crime by forcing them to deliver an unwanted baby? Boy, are YOU a prize! And the men who assisted in these endeavors--whay of them? They don't even get a parking ticket!! "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrement."