Khaled el-Masri: innocent victim of Bush's war...

Originally posted by buffalobill
He had the same name as a wanted person, the Macedonians suspected the passport was a forgery, they called the CIA who whisked him away.
Subsequently, it was said that his German asylum application and citizenship was mostly spurious.
What part did I miss and surely it's a German matter?

You did not understand. The second section of my post was only to address the character of el-Masri in response to Pink Floyd saying he was just a fellow "minding his own". It has nothing to do with German autonomy. For your benefit....here it is again.

What type fellow is el-Masri?

First: He based his application for German asylum on his membership in Al-Tawhid which means "movement for monotheism and holy war". We are all familiar with the term “Holy War” and what it means.

Secondly: He obtained citizenship through a “marriage of convienence” quickly followed by divorce. Not an “above-board” method for a good boy who is “just minding his own.”

Originally posted by MacSwain
You did not understand. The second section of my post was only to address the character of el-Masri in response to Pink Floyd saying he was just a fellow "minding his own". It has nothing to do with German autonomy. For your benefit....here it is again.

What type fellow is el-Masri?

First: He based his application for German asylum on his membershi ...[text shortened]... llowed by divorce. Not an “above-board” method for a good boy who is “just minding his own.”

I read it, again, and again. My point stands. The person's character was not the original reason for his detention. That came after the fact.

Originally posted by MacSwain
I'll show you mine. Then you must show me yours!

“On May 8, Iran imprisoned scholar Haleh Esfandiari, who also has dual U.S.-Iranian citizenship. Iran claimed Esfandiari admitted under INTERROGATION (torture?) she was trying to establish an unofficial network”

“Iran has also detained two other Iranian-American women, including Parnaz Azima, a corre ...[text shortened]... ters".
I will wait impatiently for the post. Hopefully a link with pictures. 😀

OOH_RAH!

So, tit-for-tat then, eh?

They can do it, so why can't we?

Originally posted by mdhall
Isn't that pretty much exactly what you do in most of your posts?

Not the being an intellectual or sitting in an Ivory Tower, but the dictating how you think people should live.

Even if you want to be technical and defend yourself as not telling others how to live, you certainly spend a lot of time telling others why what they think and feel is worthless crap, which is very similar.

Hmmm, I just disagree with their points of view. Isn't that called .. umm... let me think ... oh yeah Debate?

For the record, you can search through my posts, I think it was one to A Thousand Young. Basically, I told that my view of the forums was they were a place for people to vent their frustrations about what they perceive as the stupidity in the world. I went on to tell him I was under no illusion that I was going to change anyone's mind or point of view.
Anyone here who thinks they are going to change anyone's mind here and thereby help to save the world has got more than a few screws loose.

But I won't stand by when I see something posted that looks and smells like a load of dung. If that offends you, am very sorry. I don't think I have called anyone a name yet that was offensive... well except for maybe calling them a liberal . But hey, even the liberals in the United States don't like to be called that anymore.... they prefer the term progressive, as if they and their views where somehow better than everyone else.

Guess what... they aren't

Originally posted by buffalobill
Ooh I love the cut and thrust of manly debate. "You're all a bunch of panty-waisted liberal egg-heads who never had a real job in your lives and we outnumber you. Nyah, nyah."
The problem with US foreign policy is that it's been run by rednecks. The type who act before they think. A foreign policy I might add that has resulted in more enemies and fewer ...[text shortened]... 's not going to look kindly on Bush Jr. whom we should surely agree is no academic.

Most American professors never had a real job.... well maybe they did when they were students in college. All they have known is academic life.

As for there being more common, hard working people than 'Ivory Tower' intellectuals thats just a fact of life. I value the common sense of some hard working man or woman more than I'll ever value the 'book learning' of most college professors. 'Book leaning' only gets you so far in life.

As for American foreign policy, we are still here, and we are still standing. If the United States were such a horrible place... why do so many immigrants want to come here? I welcome the legal ones, the illegals can get their selves back to their country of origin.

As for who is our friends in the world and who are our enemies, that seems to change with the wind. So I don't worry about that too much, especially when our supposed friends are really less friendly than we think

Originally posted by SMSBear716
Most American professors never had a real job.... well maybe they did when they were students in college. All they have known is academic life.

As for there being more common, hard working people than 'Ivory Tower' intellectuals thats just a fact of life. I value the common sense of some hard working man or woman more than I'll ever value the 'book le ...[text shortened]... t too much, especially when our supposed friends are really less friendly than we think

You sound like a Marxist with all your proletariat propaganda. There's nothing noble about ignorance.

What is so great about being a working stiff with a "real job"? I'm one, and I certainly don't think it's given me any kind of insightful wisdom of the "hard working man". Is that like the Protestant Work Ethic I was taught growing up, "If you work hard you will succeed"? Because I've not seen that play out in reality very often.

And are you saying that Professors don't have wisdom because instead of chasing a high income they are chasing knowledge and truth?
Yah, what a bunch of elitists... [sarcasm]

Get over your grudge about not finishing college. Better yet, get yourself back in it and finish it so you can drop the bitter attitude.

Experience is a great teacher, but if someone has no education, they'll just end up with a lot of prejudices based on local variables. Education + experience is the the true path to realism.

Originally posted by mdhall
You sound like a Marxist with all your proletariat propaganda. There's nothing noble about ignorance.

What is so great about being a working stiff with a "real job"? I'm one, and I certainly don't think it's given me any kind of insightful wisdom of the "hard working man". Is that like the Protestant Work Ethic I was taught growing up, "If you work hard ...[text shortened]... based on local variables. Education + experience is the the true path to realism.

Sorry... sounds like you the one who is bitter.....

Originally posted by mdhall
You sound like a Marxist with all your proletariat propaganda. There's nothing noble about ignorance.

What is so great about being a working stiff with a "real job"? I'm one, and I certainly don't think it's given me any kind of insightful wisdom of the "hard working man". Is that like the Protestant Work Ethic I was taught growing up, "If you work hard ...[text shortened]... based on local variables. Education + experience is the the true path to realism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenure#Academic_tenure

Originally posted by Crowley
So, tit-for-tat then, eh?

They can do it, so why can't we?

NOT SO FAST..You are trying to renege on your billigerent claim! I have shown detainees..YOU SHOW ME GLASS CRATERS.

(Your original Post)
Originally posted by Crowley
What Would The Rednecks Do?

What would the US do if a US citizen, suspected of being a CIA agent, that are against the Islamic 'regime' in a place like Iran, as 'detained' for questioning?

They would turn that heap of sand into a god-damned glass crater, that's what. OOH-RA!

(My reply to you WITH a list of US citzens detained)
Originally posted by MacSwain
I'll show you mine. Then you must show me yours!

“On May 8, Iran imprisoned scholar Haleh Esfandiari

“Iran has also detained two other Iranian-American women, including Parnaz Azima. The identity of the other woman has not been revealed at the request of her family.”

“for the fourth time in recent months, Iran has detained someone holding dual U.S. and Iranian citizenship

AND WHO CAN FORGET: “Iran hostage crisis, a group of militant university students who took over the U.S. diplomatic mission in Tehran on November 4, 1979. They held 63 U.S. diplomats and three other U.S. citizens hostage until January 20, 1981.

Now..MOUTH OF THE SOUTH...show me the "god-damned glass craters".
I will wait impatiently for the post. Hopefully a link with pictures.
OOH_RAH!

NOW...I REPEAT, SHOW ME THE "GOD-DAMNED GLASS CRATERS" you claimed would exist or admit your mouth wrote checks your facts cannot cash!

I AM WAITING FOR YOUR CRATER INFO...HOPEFULLY YOUR LINKS WILL HAVE PICTURES!

Originally posted by SMSBear716

'Book learning' only gets you so far in life.

Lets see what some other people say...

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'The wise man reads both books and life itself'. -Lin Yutang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Yutang

'The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them.' -Mark Twain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_twain

'Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new after all.' -Abraham Lincoln
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln

'It is what you read when you don't have to that determines what you will be when you can't help it.' -Oscar Wilde
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde

There are countless others...But a new favorite proverb is:

'A book is like a garden carried in the pocket.' -Chinese Proverb

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Originally posted by SMSBear716
Most American professors never had a real job.... well maybe they did when they were students in college. All they have known is academic life.

As for there being more common, hard working people than 'Ivory Tower' intellectuals thats just a fact of life. I value the common sense of some hard working man or woman more than I'll ever value the 'book le ...[text shortened]... t too much, especially when our supposed friends are really less friendly than we think

I'm just saying that you sound like a dumbass ethnocentric teenager who needs to be bitch slapped..err I mean you might want to keep an open mind about books and academia..yeah right lol.

Originally posted by SMSBear716
Most American professors never had a real job.... well maybe they did when they were students in college. All they have known is academic life.

As for there being more common, hard working people than 'Ivory Tower' intellectuals thats just a fact of life. I value the common sense of some hard working man or woman more than I'll ever value the 'book le ...[text shortened]... t too much, especially when our supposed friends are really less friendly than we think

These academics are the same people who educate engineers, doctors, linguists and even lawyers. I wouldn't knock them or are you saying these are not real jobs either? And then, what right do you have to say that someone's opinion is not worth anything because he never had a "real job"? Anyway, criticism has come from all walks of life, not just academics.

Your so-called common sense combined with ignorance is a dangerous combination, especially in a leader. Even then, common sense has seemed to be in short supply. If you are going to pick a fight with someone, common sense first asks if you're going to win. Sure you're going to win the war, but can you win the peace? Again, some common sense would not be misplaced and the answer is yes and no. An historical perspective comes in handy in answering these questions.

"If American is such a bad place why ....?" Here we go again with the standard knee-jerk response. Did I or anyone else say the USA was a horrible place? To criticise US foreign policy is not to attack the country or its people.

Finally, it was your president who said: "If you're not for us, you're against us." Did you read what Teddy Roosevelt had to say about that?

Originally posted by SMSBear716
Sorry... sounds like you the one who is bitter.....

I think there are elective courses you could pick up to learn some better retorts.

Zeeblebot,
What are you trying to say about academic tenures?

Tenure's are awarded to professors who prove themselves in a research and instructional capacity. This process usually takes years. Once a professor in tenured they can be dismissed by incompetence or moral turpitude. I don't see a problem.

Originally posted by jmarks
Lets see what some other people say...

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'The wise man reads both books and life itself'. -Lin Yutang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Yutang

'The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them.' -Mark Twain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_twain

'Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts o ...[text shortened]... is:

'A book is like a garden carried in the pocket.' -Chinese Proverb

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Since you totally misinterpreted what I said, is there a point in pursuing a debate with you? I think not. However, Love Clancy who is my favorite author, Stephen King, Thomas Sowell, Walter E Williams , Anne Coulter and others....

In other words DA, there is a difference between 'book learning' and reading books.

I'll ignore your insultas in the other post bout my age .... since you come off looking like the JA

Originally posted by mdhall
I think there are elective courses you could pick up to learn some better retorts.

Zeeblebot,
What are you trying to say about academic tenures?

Tenure's are awarded to professors who prove themselves in a research and instructional capacity. This process usually takes years. Once a professor in tenured they can be dismissed by incompetence or moral turpitude. I don't see a problem.

I think I'd prefer an elective in cultural diversity... thats always good for a laugh.