@earl-of-trumps saidYeah, I am waiting for no1 to reply to this evil act.
And that goon governor they have, Cuomo, gets roaring approval from the plebes.
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@eladar saidWhy is no one touching this?
Yeah, I am waiting for no1 to reply to this evil act.
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@eladar saidNo1.? Who cares what that clown thinks.
Yeah, I am waiting for no1 to reply to this evil act.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-spreads-new-york-nursing-home-forced-take-recovering-patients-n1191811
"As of this week, the coronavirus has killed nearly 11,000 people in nursing homes in 36 states, according to state health data collected by NBC News. More than half of those deaths occurred in New York and New Jersey."
https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/cuomo-didnt-know-coronavirus-patients-are-being-sent-back-to-nursing-homes/
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@eladar saidWith the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, this was clearly a mistake.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-mandates-nursing-homes-take-covid-19-patients-discharged-from-hospitals-11585228215
Way to expose the elderly to Coronavirus New York. Seems to me the people who made this decision need to be charged with premeditated murder.
Still, at the time, the IHME model was predicting that NY would need 4 times the number of hospital beds than we had available. We had just watched in Wuhan and Lombardy where the hospitals were totally overwhelmed. They probably figured that the nursing homes would set up special floors for stable COVID patients.
Thankfully, the NY hospital system did NOT get overwhelmed, thanks to a variety of factors. But the decision at the time was not so unreasonable considering the mammoth shortage of hospital beds we thought we were facing.
@sh76 saidBenefit of 20/20 hindsight? Really?
With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, this was clearly a mistake.
Still, at the time, the IHME model was predicting that NY would need 4 times the number of hospital beds than we had available. We had just watched in Wuhan and Lombardy where the hospitals were totally overwhelmed. They probably figured that the nursing homes would set up special floors for stable COVID patient ...[text shortened]... was not so unreasonable considering the mammoth shortage of hospital beds we thought we were facing.
At what point in this lockdown did we not know the elderly in Nursing Homes are at the highest risk?
What if your mother was in one of those nursing homes?
Oh wait, you and your family are rich enough, so who cares what happens to the poor?
@eladar saidAssuming I've understood this correctly and what they were doing was returning patients who were resident in the Care Home when they became sick to the Care Home when they no longer needed hospital treatment, then they did the same thing in the UK for the same reasons. From the first covid-19 death in a Care Home (including for the care of mental health patients) there have been 20,863 deaths of patients registered by 17th April, of these 3,096 were of covid-19 which is 14.8% of deaths in Care Homes. I do not know how big the population in care is. We do not know how big a factor returning patients to Care Homes was, since they must have been resident in the Care Home and infectious from when they were infected until they were hospitalized. In other words, the policy may well have made no difference.
Benefit of 20/20 hindsight? Really?
At what point in this lockdown did we not know the elderly in Nursing Homes are at the highest risk?
What if your mother was in one of those nursing homes?
Oh wait, you and your family are rich enough, so who cares what happens to the poor?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales
@DeepThought
So if a nursing home resident has covid, then the patient needs to remain in the nursing home. That makes no sense whatsoever. Nobody with covid should be allowed in Nursing Homes.
@eladar saidRead the order:
So if a nursing home resident has covid, then the patient needs to remain in the nursing home. That makes no sense whatsoever. Nobody with covid should be allowed in Nursing Homes.
https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/system/files/documents/2020/03/doh_covid19-_nhadmissionsreadmissions_-032520.pdf
@eladar saidWhether or not that's true, is there any reason this issue should become a political football?
@HandyAndy
So they are returning covid patients, endangering residents who are not sick.