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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
they may not have had an agency, but there were people involved in gathering intelligence, the history of the CIA, homepage,

Foreign intelligence has been important to the United States since the days of George Washington, but it’s only been since World War II that such efforts have been coordinated on a government-wide level. Even before Pearl H ...[text shortened]... attorney and World War I hero William J. Donovan to draft a plan for a new intelligence service.

Originally posted by Sam The Sham
Odd....you disagree with me then post a paragraph that confirms what I said.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what is it about they were gathering intelligence prior to WWII, irrespective of whether there was an agency or not that you do not understand? OCI and OSS, and CIG were heralded by whom, Donovan, 'old school', thus showing an unmistakable continuity, deny it if you can!

and the war ended when? that's correct dear friends, 1945, all hail, all hail! 🙂

Originally posted by FMF
And I have been encouraging you, obliquely, to consider things from Russians' perspectives. I would be interested to hear what your empathetic skills conjure up. Go on. For the debatular fun of it.

I thought it was cool when Kim Jong Ill fed Hans Bricks to his sharks!

Originally posted by menace71
One thing I was thinking about. You don't see a mass exodus of people just dying to move to Russia to live. We've had people come here to live however from all of those former Soviet Republics. Why? If the U.S. is so bad? I think whatever you want to say is fine but My Ukrainian friends moved here because they wanted to escape so they could have freedom.



Manny

Originally posted by FMF
Well almost all Russian citizens live in Russia, and will do so till the day they pass away. I don't think we're going to disagree about that. They just get on with their everyday lives like Americans, Zambians, Peruvians and Cambodians do, for instance. I don't see why one would want to only try to empathize with the tiny minority that want to migrate. What abo ...[text shortened]... nce. If you don't see the value of seeing how others might see things, that's fine.

Originally posted by sh76
I don't see the Russians as "enemies" at all. In the almost 20 years between Perestroika and a few years ago, I think most Americans saw the Russians as potential allies and many continue to do so. After 9/11, the Russians seemed at least sympathetic to the war on Al Qaeda.

I think that the recent breakdown of Russian relations with the US and other western ...[text shortened]... than Bush). But I don't see any fundamental reason relations with Russia can't be improved.

Originally posted by sh76
I don't see the Russians as "enemies" at all. In the almost 20 years between Perestroika and a few years ago, I think most Americans saw the Russians as potential allies and many continue to do so. After 9/11, the Russians seemed at least sympathetic to the war on Al Qaeda.

I think that the recent breakdown of Russian relations with the US and other western ...[text shortened]... than Bush). But I don't see any fundamental reason relations with Russia can't be improved.

Originally posted by joe beyser
When I was in the Air Force as a young feller I hated Russians. I went in when Regan was ramping up the military. Now though I don't know why we were ever enemies. I think we had so much anti Russian propaganda going that people such a myself just reacted and didn't question the source. Of course at that time the internet didn't exist.

Originally posted by infomast
Exactly right. The propaganda part is as true today as it was then.

By the way I don't hate Russians or Ukrainians I've worked with both & they are awesome people.

Originally posted by utherpendragon
I wonder how the propaganda was in Russia concerning the U.S. at this time ?

Originally posted by joe beyser
I bet they had as much or more propaganda out against us.