@moonbus saidI don't believe you. Russia did not break any laws.
You are mistaken that any foreigner can do legally to America what Americans do legally in America. Influencing an election is one of the things foreigners may not legally do to America. If you need an explanation why, I am not inclined to indulge you; it should be bloody obvious why.
Empirical evidence of the security of mail-in votes is well-documented. The fraud rate is ...[text shortened]... been repeatedly cited with links to U.S. state election commissions; I won't bother to do it again.
Less than 1% is enough to steal an election.
14 Jun 22
@Metal-Brain
You are one sick SOB. You know full well there have been 60 court cases all lost by Trump and all the vote recounts showed near nothing including even the Ninja idiots who sucked out hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars and even they concluded there was near zero fraud.
And BTW, the fraud that WAS found came 90% from REPUBLICANS. So take your SHYTE and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
14 Jun 22
@sonhouse saidMost of them didn't look at any evidence. Most were dismissed on standing alone, but I am not claiming Trump won the election. You are barking up the wrong tree.
@Metal-Brain
You are one sick SOB. You know full well there have been 60 court cases all lost by Trump and all the vote recounts showed near nothing including even the Ninja idiots who sucked out hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars and even they concluded there was near zero fraud.
And BTW, the fraud that WAS found came 90% from REPUBLICANS. So take your SHYTE and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
@metal-brain saidNo one is asking you to believe me. The US Senate Intel Committee, chaired by a Rep., found evidence of widespread meddling in the 2016 election, far beyond merely posting lies at FB. Russian agents were indicted for meddling in the 2016 election.
I don't believe you. Russia did not break any laws.
Less than 1% is enough to steal an election.
The fraud rate for mail-in ballots is orders of magnitude below 1%. Like 0.000x %. There is no evidence that any US state or federal election was ever tipped by fraudulent mail-in votes.
It is not necessary to prove something cannot happen in order to know that it did not happen. It cannot be proved that Detroit was not destroyed by meteorites last night; nonetheless, it did not happen and we know this.
You peddle debunked lies.
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14 Jun 22
@metal-brain saidWELL DOCUMENTED ?
Some votes cast were wrongly counted. That much is a fact. It happened in my state in Antrim county. It is well documented. I'm not claiming it was enough to swing the state to Trump though. That is a whole different story.
...........LINK, please
14 Jun 22
@metal-brain saidYes. We're going to accept your judgement over 60 different courts'.
Most of them didn't look at any evidence. Most were dismissed on standing alone, but I am not claiming Trump won the election. You are barking up the wrong tree.
Don't be silly now.
14 Jun 22
@metal-brain saidhttps://www.polyas.de/blog/en/electoral-research/foreign-election-interference
I don't believe you. Russia did not break any laws.
Less than 1% is enough to steal an election.
I think you'll find that interfering in a foreign election is quite literally breaking international law.
That squad diddely is done about it is another thing. But it's breaking the law.
14 Jun 22
@Metal-Brain
Then stop bringing up the subject, we all know there can exist SOME fraud in elections like those republicans using their dead mom to vote for Trump so try some OTHER conspiracy theory of the week you get from your fringe buddies.
@metal-brain saidThe courts did not look at any evidence because the plaintiffs did not offer any even prima facie evidence to look at. 'Somebody committed a murder!' isn't sufficient reason to open a court case. You'd have to at least produce a missing person, but Trump's lawyers did not do that, much less a body and a bloody knife.
Most of them didn't look at any evidence. Most were dismissed on standing alone, but I am not claiming Trump won the election. You are barking up the wrong tree.
Of course a few ballots were invalid. Which is not to say fraudulent; fraud implies criminal intent. A ballot can be invalid for other reasons, without criminal intent. However, the number of invalid &/or fraudulent ballots was insignificant; not enough to invalidate the electoral process itself or the result. So stop reminding everyone that vote fraud is possible; of course it is possible, but it is a non-issue in fact. A state does not have to render vote fraud absolutely impossible in order to reach a valid result.
15 Jun 22
@moonbus said"The courts did not look at any evidence because the plaintiffs did not offer any "
The courts did not look at any evidence because the plaintiffs did not offer any even prima facie evidence to look at. 'Somebody committed a murder!' isn't sufficient reason to open a court case. You'd have to at least produce a missing person, but Trump's lawyers did not do that, much less a body and a bloody knife.
Of course a few ballots were invalid. Which is no ...[text shortened]... . A state does not have to render vote fraud absolutely impossible in order to reach a valid result.
You made that up. It is NOT true at all. When a case is declined on standing they do not look at anything. There is no reason to because evidence would not change the ruling.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rand-paul-courts-have-not-decided-election-results-found-excuses-to-sit-out
15 Jun 22
@metal-brain saidStill banging that Kremlin drum about the election being stolen then.
"The courts did not look at any evidence because the plaintiffs did not offer any "
You made that up. It is NOT true at all. When a case is declined on standing they do not look at anything. There is no reason to because evidence would not change the ruling.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rand-paul-courts-have-not-decided-election-results-found-excuses-to-sit-out
Divide and conquer it’s always a go to for the enemy and Russia is without a doubt the enemy of democracy and the west, especially the US, if you can take them out of the game by generating internal strife and division it’s job done really.