One Biden question

@averagejoe1 said
These 2 paras above. You think that universal health care does not infringe upon the rights of others? Am I reading that right? Not meaning to be funny, but what if ole Bill has 20 dogs and buys dog food all day, but wants me to pay for his health care? Maruader?

Second para above: That is 13 words trying to pack in a WHOLE lot of info. But to get to he gist, I d ...[text shortened]... ing from. Maybe Suzianne can tell me, but right now she is disemminating one of Kev's posts for me.

Do you object to Donald Trump getting free health care from the government?

After all, he was the one who decided to not wear a mask and congregate with groups thus increasing his chances of catching COVID. Shouldn't he and all his staff that took such chances pay their own bills according to your logic?

@no1marauder said
Do you object to Donald Trump getting free health care from the government?

After all, he was the one who decided to not wear a mask and congregate with groups thus increasing his chances of catching COVID. Shouldn't he and all his staff that took such chances pay their own bills according to your logic?

Well,now hold on here,Maruader. Liberal=eze off the subject at it's finest. It is very possible that members of the three branches of govt have totally free healthcare. i dont know that. Let's keep it simple , for sake of argument. The President of the US, and probably congress and senators, get free health insurance and do not pay any premiums for it. I pay $600/month myself, so they get to not pay the $600.00. Do I object? No. The President should get free health insurance as a perk for running 330,000,000 lives. Especially Donald, who donates all of his salary as President to charities.

Other than elected officials, the staff should pay for health insurance. They do come and go, after all.

@averagejoe1 said
Well,now hold on here,Maruader. Liberal=eze off the subject at it's finest. It is very possible that members of the three branches of govt have totally free healthcare. i dont know that. Let's keep it simple , for sake of argument. The President of the US, and probably congress and senators, get free health insurance and do not pay any premiums for it. I pay $600/mo ...[text shortened]... r than elected officials, the staff should pay for health insurance. They do come and go, after all.

You know I’m right. A hard working man who plays by the rules, with 2 children, should not pay, with the taxes he pays in, for the health care of the family of 7 across the street. You can’t possibly have an argument for that. It is not logical. An example would be me, who had only as many kids as I could afford, me being responsible for their healthcare. A neighbor may have 6 kids. Has that got something to do with me, pray tell? Why can’t libs answer these questions?

Here is where the confusion lies. You are a ‘group’ person. I am an individual. Which would you rather be?

@no1marauder said
Do you object to Donald Trump getting free health care from the government?

After all, he was the one who decided to not wear a mask and congregate with groups thus increasing his chances of catching COVID. Shouldn't he and all his staff that took such chances pay their own bills according to your logic?

Please follow me here. Using your analogy, a girl decides to not bother with a condom ‘the mask’ , congregates with a man, ....................................,shouldn’t she pay her own bill for the the abortion????? Marauder, you have got to come to your senses.

@averagejoe1 said
The President of the US, and probably congress and senators, get free health insurance and do not pay any premiums for it. I pay $600/month myself, so they get to not pay the $600.00. Do I object? No.

If you're self-employed, you get to deduct the insurance premium from taxable income. It's a business expense.

@no1marauder said
Do you object to Donald Trump getting free health care from the government?

After all, he was the one who decided to not wear a mask and congregate with groups thus increasing his chances of catching COVID. Shouldn't he and all his staff that took such chances pay their own bills according to your logic?

I just can’t believe this Hypocrisy abounds. You are suggesting that folks who ‘take chances’ should pay their own health care. But often you say that we all should pay for an abortion of a girl, who ‘takes chances’.

Marauder, maybe we should take our show on the road! We could make money, confusing audiences, you are a master! We could write Suzianne as we go, she HATES making money.

@averagejoe1 said
I just can’t believe this Hypocrisy abounds. You are suggesting that folks who ‘take chances’ should pay their own health care. But often you say that we all should pay for an abortion of a girl, who ‘takes chances’.

Marauder, maybe we should take our show on the road! We could make money, confusing audiences, you are a master! We could write Suzianne as we go, she HATES making money.

You are the one being a hypocrite, not me.
As long as its your idol is being provided free health care (even though he has plenty of money to pay for it himself,), it's perfectly fine for us to pay for it but we shouldn't pay to provide health care to others who can't afford it even though better public health benefits us all.

Get the mote out of your own eye. Joe.

@averagejoe1 said
You know I’m right. A hard working man who plays by the rules, with 2 children, should not pay, with the taxes he pays in, for the health care of the family of 7 across the street. You can’t possibly have an argument for that. It is not logical. An example would be me, who had only as many kids as I could afford, me being responsible for their healthcare. A neighbor may ...[text shortened]... ere the confusion lies. You are a ‘group’ person. I am an individual. Which would you rather be?

Your stupid question has been answered dozens of times on this board.

Better public health is a benefit to everyone; you'd think being in the middle of a deadly pandemic might drive that point home to even the densest right winger.

@averagejoe1 said
Well,now hold on here,Maruader. Liberal=eze off the subject at it's finest. It is very possible that members of the three branches of govt have totally free healthcare. i dont know that. Let's keep it simple , for sake of argument. The President of the US, and probably congress and senators, get free health insurance and do not pay any premiums for it. I pay $600/mo ...[text shortened]... r than elected officials, the staff should pay for health insurance. They do come and go, after all.

BTW, look at the "limited government" guy saying that Donald Trump is " running 330,000,000 lives"!

Maybe he runs your life, but he doesn't run mine.

@averagejoe1 said
You know I’m right. A hard working man who plays by the rules, with 2 children, should not pay, with the taxes he pays in, for the health care of the family of 7 across the street. You can’t possibly have an argument for that. It is not logical. An example would be me, who had only as many kids as I could afford, me being responsible for their healthcare. A neighbor may ...[text shortened]... ere the confusion lies. You are a ‘group’ person. I am an individual. Which would you rather be?

It's your position not me but Donald Trump is an exception because he's "running 330,000,000 lives" according to you. That makes you a hypocrite at least.

We're both individuals living in a society with rules that are supposed to set by democratically elected representatives fulfilling the will of the People. You object to that and want a few aristocrats to "run our lives" and thus support all kinds of antidemocratic institutions.

@no1marauder said
Your stupid question has been answered dozens of times on this board.

Better public health is a benefit to everyone; you'd think being in the middle of a deadly pandemic might drive that point home to even the densest right winger.

Here you mention public health and covid. Off you go. You further imply that abortions qualify as a 'public health' problem like covid. Your movements and intertwining of subjects would make me say 'point of order'; in a stage debate. Covid is a public problem. Govt needs to dig into the kitty and save us all. I agree. Govt should NOT dig into the kitty to correct bad choices of a girl in the back seat. I lost money on ABC stock last week, govt should help me with that? No. BAD CHOICE!

Here is the real kicker. Your Marxism is showing when you say someone "has enough to pay for it himself'." Hey Marauder, if Smith 'has enough' (what ever in the hell that means, libs NEVER tell us what is enough)...if he has enough, does that mean he should not get free healthcare?, but Jones, who does Not have enough, SHOULD get free healthcare? I chuckled when I read that. You know..., from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. So donald does not get free healthcare, and is further asked to pay for someone else's. Can't you just feel the darkness when that sets in, the Bolshevik-ism?

OK, running lives. You were 'sposed to get the gist that the President's job and actions can affect, and can change, our lives. The 330M number threw you, but that is how many of us there are. So, take out the word running, insert affecting. My bad, I guess.

Are you a socialist, too? You dont have to answer.

@averagejoe1 said
Here you mention public health and covid. Off you go. You further imply that abortions qualify as a 'public health' problem like covid. Your movements and intertwining of subjects would make me say 'point of order'; in a stage debate. Covid is a public problem. Govt needs to dig into the kitty and save us all. I agree. Govt should NOT dig into the kitty to correct ...[text shortened]... running, insert affecting. My bad, I guess.

Are you a socialist, too? You dont have to answer.

You’ve used Marxist and socialist in the same post.
Just wondering......do you know the difference between the two ?

And you and others like you have done this repeatedly in the past.
Do you guys know the difference between Socialism and Communism ?
Or Socialism and Marxism ?

Many of us have long been under the impression that there are a bunch of you, mostly conservatives and Trump supporters, that blather endlessly on about something without knowing what you are talking about.

Too much Kool-Aid it seems ?

@mghrn55 said
You’ve used Marxist and socialist in the same post.
Just wondering......do you know the difference between the two ?

And you and others like you have done this repeatedly in the past.
Do you guys know the difference between Socialism and Communism ?
Or Socialism and Marxism ?

Many of us have long been under the impression that there are a bunch of you, mostly conserv ...[text shortened]... essly on about something without knowing what you are talking about.

Too much Kool-Aid it seems ?

OK, I respectfully submit that, for me, it is pretty much all the same. It is like, I have 5 apples in a sack, one is absolutely perfect, protecting individualism, freedom from government control , no regulations which might impede my prospering as much as I want to, the list goes on...I assume you know what capitalism is?

Then all of the other apples are not perfect, and each one has a way of limiting what I just wrote. The other 4 apples mutter amongst themselves, twisting and turning, poking into the business of the other apples, wanting to exercise control over the other apples, the weaker apples wanting the better apples to cuddle up to them and make them warm, you know. The capitalist apple is trying to mind his own business, as it has for 240 years. It is thinking,,,,'what in the hell?

So, yeah, they are about all the same to me. You see, they all have one thing in common....they all want to cross over a fine line and make things they way they want things to be. (I hate that word 'make', don't you?) I and other capitalists have indeed got this line which says that we are free and we revel in liberty. A person such as libs on these forums cannot say the words 'we treasure liberty'. Because, they, the 4 apples, will institute new guidelines (you like being guided, MG?) which fly right in the face of liberty. I could keep on typing but if you have a high school diploma I think you get it, and you just hate it.

Marxism and socialism may be different by definition, but...naah. You will find treatises that one begets the other. I think Marxism follows socialism after socialism plays out. Think I will take the day off and read up on all that crap. Who were Lenin's parents, anyway? You probably know. Creepy stuff. You into this stuff. Imagine me wearing a brown shirt and being 'rewarded' depending on my 'contribution' to society. God in heaven. How much contribution would I have to do to get me a 2nd home on the lake?

@no1marauder said
It's your position not me but Donald Trump is an exception because he's "running 330,000,000 lives" according to you. That makes you a hypocrite at least.

We're both individuals living in a society with rules that are supposed to set by democratically elected representatives fulfilling the will of the People. You object to that and want a few aristocrats to "run our lives" and thus support all kinds of antidemocratic institutions.

Split hairs, Marauder. OK then, he is running the country, full of 330M lives. Rest easy. Dont know what you mean about the President being 'an exception', I guess he is, since he is the president, responsible for the 330M.

If you think he should pay for his insurance, then should he pay rent for his living quarters? My logic is killing you. It is just what he is entitled to, by, as you say, the will of the people.

@averagejoe1 said
Split hairs, Marauder. OK then, he is running the country, full of 330M lives. Rest easy. Dont know what you mean about the President being 'an exception', I guess he is, since he is the president, responsible for the 330M.

If you think he should pay for his insurance, then should he pay rent for his living quarters? My logic is killing you. It is just what he is entitled to, by, as you say, the will of the people.

And the hypothetical guy across the street with 7 kids will be "entitled to" health care by "the will of the people" if and when the politicians implement it:

"Among the public overall, 63% of U.S. adults say the government has the responsibility to provide health care coverage for all, up slightly from 59% last year. Roughly a third (37😵 say this is not the responsibility of the federal government, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted July 27 to Aug. 2 among 11,001 adults."

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/09/29/increasing-share-of-americans-favor-a-single-government-program-to-provide-health-care-coverage/

See how that works?