Palestinians are idiots to support these crooks

@rajk999 said
Was Oct 7th nice? Here are some details of what these cockroaches did ..

Hamas breached the border, brutally slaughtered and raped some 1400 Israelis, and dragged another 240 or so into captivity, a captivity which video evidence and testimony of survivors shows included savage rape. They phoned their parents to boast of their antics, and used the victims phones to send ...[text shortened]... and Islamic Jihad; and spitting on and beating the already violated bodies of the murdered victims.

Back to your thread title though about Palestinian support for hamas... Idiots don't know any better.

@happy-chappy said

How can ones opinion not have changed after these last 100 days otherwise.

People like you are easy to fool, and you fall for crocodile tears. Others know the whole story and not just the facebook version.. Here is some of it

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The day following the destruction of the World Trade Center in 2001, CBS (I think it was) showed a clip of Palestinian women dancing in the streets after hearing of the deaths of 2,700-odd Americans in New York, after terrorist attacks. I have been anti-Palestine and pro-Israel ever since, because I have no sympathy for anyone, of any country, who would gleefully celebrate the deaths of over 2,700 innocent victims. It takes a very special kind of evil, disgusting, warped and inhumane mind to behave like that.

Infighting Between Fatah and Hamas in the Gaza Strip: Timeline

Hamas captures a number of Fatah members in Gaza and throws Mohammed Sweirki, an officer in the Palestinian Presidential Guard, off the tallest building in Gaza.
Hamas opens fire at the residence of Fatah PA President, Mahmoud Abbas in Gaza
Italian activist found dead in Gaza after abduction “Vittorio Arrigoni, 36, was seized on Thursday by a radical group that has been in conflict with Hamas and is seeking the release of its leader. Police said he was found hanged in a Gaza City house after receiving a tip-off. Two people have been arrested.”

Hamas Killed 160 Palestinian Children to Build Gaza Tunnels - “The Institute for Palestine Studies published a detailed report on Gaza’s Tunnel Phenomenon in the summer of 2012. It reported that tunnel construction in Gaza has resulted in a large number of child deaths.

“At least 160 children have been killed in the tunnels, according to Hamas officials”

The author, Nicolas Pelham, explains that Hamas uses child laborers to build their terror tunnels because, “much as in Victorian coal mines, they are prized for their nimble bodies”.”

Israel and Arab Countries Are Miles Apart on LGBT Rights “In Gaza, the Hamas government has declared that homosexuality is punishable by death. In 2011, Hamas’s Al-Aksa TV featured Syrian academic Muhammad Rateb al-Nabulsi, who said homosexuality “involves a filthy place” and “leads to the destruction of the homosexual,” he said, according to the Middle East Media Research Institute.”

Israel struck by over 2,600 rockets and mortars over past two years - “In late November 2018 over 500 rockets and mortars were fired towards southern Israel in the span of 48 hours, including a Kornet anti-tank missile towards an empty IDF bus after a botched IDF commando raid in the southern Gaza city of Khan Yunis.“

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/31/why-hamas-stores-its-weapons-inside-hospitals-mosques-and-schools/ - The many mosques in the Gaza Strip serve not only religious functions, but are also put to military use by Hamas and other terrorist organizations,” the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center said at the time. “They are used to hide terrorist operatives, store weapons, as sites from which rockets and mortar shells are launched.”

Hamas DID use schools and hospitals in Gaza Strip as 'human shields' - “Hamas admits it DID use schools and hospitals, mosques and residential buildings in Gaza Strip as 'human shields' to launch rocket attacks on Israel “ This is a war crime and a violation of the Geneva Convention.

On Oct 7th was the last straw .. Hamas breached the border, brutally slaughtered and raped some 1400 Israelis, and dragged another 240 or so into captivity, a captivity which video evidence and testimony of survivors shows included savage rape. They phoned their parents to boast of their antics, and used the victims phones to send graphic pictures and video of their foul antics to the families of the victims of their barbarity. The civilian population of Gaza celebrated gleefully, enthusiastically joining in taking hostages, both to “enjoy” and apparently to sell on to Hammas and Islamic Jihad; and spitting on and beating the already violated bodies of the murdered victims.

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@wildgrass said
Back to your thread title though about Palestinian support for hamas... Idiots don't know any better.

You are mistaken. They know better. They want as many Jews as possible dead and/or out of Palestine.

@rajk999 said
Hows that gay pride thing going. Why dont you go down to Gaza and help them out. Tell them you are a one of the Queers for Gaza people.

That's not a thought.
Rhetoric reactions don't count.

@rajk999 said
You are mistaken. They know better. They want as many Jews as possible dead and/or out of Palestine.

Then they arent idiots.

@wildgrass said
Then they arent idiots.

Of course they are. Why do you think an idiot cannot make a decision? They just make stupid decisions.

@vivify said
Are you saying Gazans shouldn't care about Palestinians in the West Bank? What an absurd question.

And yet it's the Gazans who are governed by Hamas and not the West Bank.

@rajk999 said
Of course they are. Why do you think an idiot cannot make a decision? They just make stupid decisions.

You wrote that they know better.

@moonbus said
If the Palestinians would wake up and govern themselves, they wouldn't need or be attracted to Hamas.

Israel won't let them "govern themselves" by negotiating a peace that recognizes an independent, Palestinian State. And the present Israeli government has made it clear it never will and did so long before October 7, 2023.

If they ever did, support for Hamas among Palestinians would evaporate.

@rajk999 said
Palestinians are wilfully controlled by a terrorist group of their choosing.

They're "willfully" being used as human shields by terrorists?

That's a dumb thing to say.

@sh76 said
And yet it's the Gazans who are governed by Hamas and not the West Bank.

And? What is your point?

@rajk999 said
People like you are easy to fool, and you fall for crocodile tears. Others know the whole story and not just the facebook version.. Here is some of it

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The day following the destruction of the World Trade Center in 2001, CBS (I think it was) showed a clip of Palestinian women dancing in the streets after hearing of the deaths of 2,700-odd ...[text shortened]... eating the already violated bodies of the murdered victims.

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"The Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, also condemned the attacks. "I send my condolences to the president, the government and the people for this terrible incident," he said. "We are completely shocked. It's unbelievable.""

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/11/september11.usa10

Your pretend reasoning for your hatred and bigotry against the Palestinian People is based on BS.

@no1marauder said
Israel won't let them "govern themselves" by negotiating a peace that recognizes an independent, Palestinian State. And the present Israeli government has made it clear it never will and did so long before October 7, 2023.

If they ever did, support for Hamas among Palestinians would evaporate.

They may not be capable of governing themselves. Not in the style of a modern democracy anyway. They seem to be stuck in a tribal mentality from the 6th century. I can understand why the Israelis sometimes say they haven’t got a negotiating partner to make peace with.

@moonbus said
They may not be capable of governing themselves. Not in the style of a modern democracy anyway. They seem to be stuck in a tribal mentality from the 6th century. I can understand why the Israelis sometimes say they haven’t got a negotiating partner to make peace with.

Western racism towards colonial peoples is nothing new, so your attitude is hardly surprising.

Israel seems to have no problems negotiating with other repressive regimes in the area though. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Abraham-Accords

@no1marauder said
Western racism towards colonial peoples is nothing new, so your attitude is hardly surprising.

Israel seems to have no problems negotiating with other repressive regimes in the area though. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Abraham-Accords

It's not racism. It's political reality. Some peoples don't want democracy and don't have the social traditions (such as an independent judiciary and a free press) to make it work even when it is offered to them on a silver platter. Just look at what happened in Afghanistan: despite 20 years of coaching by the USA and the UK, Afghans hadn't the backbone to fight for democratic self-governance. They threw down their weapons and capitulated to the Taliban within two weeks after the USA pulled out, although they knew perfectly well what was in store for them when the Taliban came back. Afghans had the choice to fight for democracy, or capitulate to the Taliban, and they chose the latter. Democracy meant nothing to them.

Israel can negotiate with any stabile government, repressive or otherwise. The point about Gaza is, government failed there and that was why Hamas got a foothold in the first place.