@moonbus saidAre you familiar with the term "victim blaming"?
It's not racism. It's political reality. Some peoples don't want democracy and don't have the social traditions (such as an independent judiciary and a free press) to make it work even when it is offered to them on a silver platter. Just look at what happened in Afghanistan: despite 20 years of coaching by the USA and the UK, Afghans hadn't the backbone to fight for democrati ...[text shortened]... nt about Gaza is, government failed there and that was why Hamas got a foothold in the first place.
Do you blame Native Americans for their oppression because they "capitulated"? Maybe the Chinese got what they deserved under Mao, right?
There is so much wrong with your post I'm not sure where to begin, like with your claim that democracy was handed to Palestinians "on a silver platter". When?
You blame Palestinians for not fighting back against their oppressive regime while Rajk blames them for fighting back against Israel's oppression.
I'm quite shocked to see such posts from you.
15 Jan 24
@moonbus saidYou must be joking. Surely you can't consider a government imposed on a foreign military occupier as a "democracy". That "coaching" resulted in somewhere around 200,000 Afghan deaths; it's hardly surprising its People decided that they didn't want a government acceptable to their US and UK "coaches".
It's not racism. It's political reality. Some peoples don't want democracy and don't have the social traditions (such as an independent judiciary and a free press) to make it work even when it is offered to them on a silver platter. Just look at what happened in Afghanistan: despite 20 years of coaching by the USA and the UK, Afghans hadn't the backbone to fight for democrati ...[text shortened]... nt about Gaza is, government failed there and that was why Hamas got a foothold in the first place.
Israel can negotiate with the Palestinians if they desire to. They don't at least to the only degree that matters i.e. to accept an independent, Palestinian State. Pretending that Israel actually cares about what form of government that State would have is delusional; Netanyahu has made it clear he will never accept an actual Palestinian State (though he might accept a Bantustan type entity completely under Israel's thumb).
15 Jan 24
@wildgrass saidYes they know better, but they still make the wrong decision. Is like a man who drinks alcohol and drives drunk, and kills someone. He knew better, but he still made the decision to drive drunk. Gazans know what Hamas is about, and yet they want Hamas. The polls show this clearly. Knowledge does not necessarily lead to the correct decision.
You wrote that they know better.
15 Jan 24
@no1marauder saidYou are correct about that. Israel will never allow them to achieve self-determination again. That ship has sailed, and it aint returning. The time for governing themselves and having a 2-state solution was between 1948 and just before the 1967 Six-Day War when Israel took Jerusalem. Now with these recent hostilities by Hamas, no Jew wants a neighbour whose prime aim is their destruction.
Israel won't let them "govern themselves" by negotiating a peace that recognizes an independent, Palestinian State. And the present Israeli government has made it clear it never will and did so long before October 7, 2023.
If they ever did, support for Hamas among Palestinians would evaporate.
15 Jan 24
@vivify saidNo, its a dumb thing to do. They do it because they are brainwashed into thinking it is part of their Jihad, their Holy War which is sanctioned by Allah. The first Hamas charter of 1988 [I think], made this case for destruction of the Jews being the will of Allah. Therefore every Palestinian must be willing to give up their life for this cause and if they are martyrs they will be rewarded in heaven. Its all in the Hamas Charter of 1988.
They're "willfully" being used as human shields by terrorists?
That's a dumb thing to say.
15 Jan 24
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@no1marauder saidYasser Arafat was a more moderate leader. But still words are meaningless. The man could have said so as a matter of diplomacy and for the cameras, but smiling in private at the 9/11 massacre. He was moderate but still a terrorist.
"The Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, also condemned the attacks. "I send my condolences to the president, the government and the people for this terrible incident," he said. "We are completely shocked. It's unbelievable.""
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/11/september11.usa10
Your pretend reasoning for your hatred and bigotry against the Palestinian People is based on BS.
15 Jan 24
@vivify saidA separate state was handed to them on a silver platter in 1948 with the UN Partition Plan. The Jews accepted it [53% of the land area] and built a world power from there in the last 75 years. The Palestinians did not accept it [47% of the land], and went to war with the Jews instead. They did not accept it because they said all of Palestinian is theirs and there will be no Jewish state in Palestine. They could have built a prosperous nation in peace with Israel, but they continue to make stupid decisions based on hatred.
You blame Palestinians for not fighting back against their oppressive regime while Rajk blames them for fighting back against Israel's oppression.
The reason for Israels oppression is that they live to kill Jews, so when they do they suffer the consequences.
15 Jan 24
@rajk999 saidYour view on history is incorrect.
A separate state was handed to them on a silver platter in 1948 with the UN Partition Plan. The Jews accepted it [53% of the land area] and built a world power from there in the last 75 years. The Palestinians did not accept it [47% of the land], and went to war with the Jews instead. They did not accept it because they said all of Palestinian is theirs and there will be ...[text shortened]... for Israels oppression is that they live to kill Jews, so when they do they suffer the consequences.
Let alone that 53% of the land area (where other people lived) was given to a minority of the population (at the time).
Israel did not accept the 1948 partition plan. They took more land than was offered to them, whilst saying they accepted it.
GOD DAMN. READ SOME FUKKING HISTORY OR SOMETHING.
15 Jan 24
@shavixmir saidI did read the history. Maybe you should. Here is an excerpt and there are many more all saying slightly different things but essentially similar stuff: Looks like a 56 / 44 split. The portion given to the Jews had a lot of desert which nobody wanted.
Your view on history is incorrect.
Let alone that 53% of the land area (where other people lived) was given to a minority of the population (at the time).
Israel did not accept the 1948 partition plan. They took more land than was offered to them, whilst saying they accepted it.
GOD DAMN. READ SOME FUKKING HISTORY OR SOMETHING.
The proposed Jewish state covered some 56 percent of Mandate Palestine divided into three barely contiguous parts/areas: the eastern Galilee (including Safad , Tiberias , Baysan , and the Sea of Galilee ), a coastal area (about two-thirds of Palestine's coast, including Haifa , Tel Aviv , and the fertile lowland plains), and most of the Negev (excluding Bir al-Sabi' and a strip/area running about half-way down the border with Egypt , but giving access to the Red Sea ). Of Mandate Palestine's sixteen districts, nine were allotted to the Jewish state, only one of which had a Jewish majority; the UN-proposed Jewish state as a whole had an Arab “minority” approaching 47 percent.
https://www.palquest.org/en/highlight/159/un-partition-plan-1947
Israel accepted the UN Partition Plan. The war started by Palestinians and coalition forces from neighboring Arab states, and it was subsequent to that war that Israel took more land than was allocated.
Serves them right. They wanted no Jews in Palestine, now they are being pushed out gradually. They wanted all, now they have almost nothing.
15 Jan 24
@happy-chappy saidGot nothing of substance to contribute except lame comments and petty insults ?
He probably smokes more pot than Bob Marley. He seams a little brain dead.
15 Jan 24
@rajk999 saidAnother load of crock.
I did read the history. Maybe you should. Here is an excerpt and there are many more all saying slightly different things but essentially similar stuff: Looks like a 56 / 44 split. The portion given to the Jews had a lot of desert which nobody wanted.
[i]The proposed Jewish state covered some 56 percent of Mandate Palestine divided into three barely contiguous parts/ ...[text shortened]... Palestine, now they are being pushed out gradually. They wanted all, now they have almost nothing.
The Jews (Israel didn’t exist yet) were already stealing land from the Palestinians from the 1930’s onwards. Groups like the stern gang.
From before the word go, the to-be Israelis were extending their land.
15 Jan 24
@happy-chappy saidI can do all things. I research and produce information. I can present an opinion. I can return insults. The part of me you get is your choice. I like cricket but recently I do not have the time to watch it. Its too long a game.
Where would your gay pride and queers for Gazza comment sit in relation to lame insults.
On another note,do you like cricket?