Shoe thrown at Bush

Originally posted by FMF
You're tripping over yourself trying to land blows. The question [b]you posed was "In what kind of culture does EPIC FAIL=HERO?"

To which I offered one possible answer: "Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq? Dunno. USA?" Loads of 'heroes'; long costly counterproductive military failures.

Since when has missing a target from 5 yards been "EPIC"?

Your attempted zinger necessitated a cack handed change of topic mid-zing.[/b]

I suppose we now get into whether are not someone can't be a hero because of your personal views on a given war.

Again, that's you're personal views.

Originally posted by Seitse
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7782422.stm

Do you agree that a chair would have been better than a shoe?

Debate!

Actually it were two shoes ..... 😀

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Actually it were two shoes ..... 😀

Better a chair in your hand than two shoes on the roof.

Originally posted by mbakunin
bush doesn't fight terrorism. he creates more of it.

oh, so you're saying he shouldn't do anything because eventually the terrorists would ''give up''?

Yeah, maybe if we hadn't done anything in WWII, hitler would eventually give up as well.

Originally posted by generalissimo
oh, so you're saying he shouldn't do anything because eventually the terrorists would ''give up''?

Yeah, maybe if we hadn't done anything in WWII, hitler would eventually give up as well.

i'm not saying he shouldn't have done anything, i'm saying he should have done something else. for every terrorist killed in his "war" on terror, dozens more spring up. the smart thing to do would be to actually adress the issues, thus removing the terrorists' recruitment base.

and comparing todays international terrorist groups with the german war machine of the 1930s and 40s is far fetched, at the least.

Originally posted by Merk
I suppose we now get into whether are not someone can't be a hero because of your personal views on a given war.

No, we don't. We just stay on the topic you raised: "In what kind of culture does EPIC FAIL=HERO?" The 'epic fail' you cited was someone throwing a shoe. It seems you don't know what the word 'epic' means. But your question was valid all the same. Was the Vietnam War an epic success? Was General Westmoreland a hero? A severely intellectually challenged man, heavily decorated 'hero' nevertheless. Of course the title 'hero' is a personal view, it's not a universally accepted title. Maybe for me perhaps John McCain provides the classic example of EPIC FAIL=HERO; crashed/shot down, (cack handed pilot - how many planes did he wreck in training? 3? Or 4?), five years in prison for bombing civilians in an illegal war, gave in to torture, dobbed his fellow countrymen in, and yet - due to odd cultural factors that don't seem to apply elsewhere, he was able to run for president in the U.S. - with his main selling point his complete and utter and dishonorable failure (his 'heroism'😉 in the Vietnam War! - and he came withing 6 pts of winning. EPIC FAIL=HERO.

Originally posted by Nordlys
Better a chair in your hand than two shoes on the roof.

😀

Originally posted by Seitse
"This is a farewell kiss, you dog," he yelled in Arabic as he threw his shoes. "This is from the widows, the orphans and those who were killed in Iraq."

A few more points about the incident:

(see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/middle_east/7790318.stm)

• The Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush has apologised to Iraqi PM Nouri Maliki in a personal letter, the prime minister's office claims

• The family of the journalist denies he wrote it

• He faces 15 years in prison for shrowing the 2 shoes at Bush

• The shoes at the centre of the incident have been destroyed by US and Iraqi security agents when they were checked for explosives

• This was done against the wishes of the judge presiding over the case

• Thousands have been protesting in support of his actions.

• There are few insults more derogatory in the Arab world than throwing a shoe at someone (see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/middle_east/7783325.stm)