01 Oct 07
Originally posted by PinkFloydThe difference is:
Oh c'mon. It takes at least as much of a leap of faith to believe in the Big Bang, and Earth being the "Goldilocks planet", and that invisible "dark matter" makes up 90% of the universe ('cuz we ain't got enough mass in the universe to make all the equations come out right), as it does to believe in the Divine.
Big Bang is a theory, that scientists are improving every day, and have present that it can be wrong. Dark matter making 90% is a supposition.
No leaps of faith required, sorry. No such thing exists in science.
01 Oct 07
Originally posted by kmax87Take America where right wing Christian fundamentalists are influencing government decision making.
Name some other areas of contention where religious views are in direct conflict with the wishes of the state?
Considering that most of the law is derived from a Judeo-Christo perspective with a bit of the English common law and French Napoleonic code thrown in for good measure it seems incongruous to suggest that the law be allowed to 'bite the hand that fed it'
Not at all, once a secular state which occludes religious process is established I see no reason to pay homage to previous influences. That aside, those Judeo-Christian influences in turn owe their origins to natural law, where is the homage there?
01 Oct 07
Originally posted by kmax87Evidence:
I am getting that you are repeatedly saying this, but I have yet to see one bit of substantiating evidence to back your sweeping claim. Having met a few people who were home schooled and considering their subsequent achievement at a tertiary level of education, I am not at all convinced by your assertion. There would be too many variables between say an educa ...[text shortened]... omeschooling is inferior to public schooling on both academic and social developmental levels'
1) Home schooling is dependent on the parents' academic prowess, the educated, passionate teacher figure you speak of is a rare case (and in my view especially in the religious community), that's why teachers train.
2) Home schooling is generally conducted for religious means and consequently has a biased curriculum.
3) Home schooling means that the child has very limited (if any) day to day interaction with other children his age, xe learns nothing from a) the questions other children ask, nor the responses given to those questions and b) their social development is stunted.
4) I think it is fair to say that on average children who live in areas of poor school standards are likely to have parents whose academic abilities are too low to meet the needs of the child.
5) The resources and multiple opinions bases of other forms of schooling are invaluable and are something a home schooling environment just cannot provide.
02 Oct 07
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Originally posted by kmax87It's useful to biologists, MDs, anthropologists, etc. and not just for teaching.
I was saying that evolution is a self serving dogma that makes little or no difference to you or the way you live your life unless you were to study it further such that you would complete the cycle and teach it to someone else.
02 Oct 07
Originally posted by whodeyThe government should never have this much authority over children's education. Consequently, the Mennonites and other conservatives in Canada had better get organized and vote these creeps out of office.
Apparenlty, Quebec is threatening Mennonite families that if they don't send their children to public school to be educated about evolution they might take them away.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57199
Should they be allowed to do this?
02 Oct 07
Originally posted by PinkFloydThe problem is the assumption "No more than God in anyone's life".
To paraphrase your statement, Sinve there is "No more than (God) in [anyone's] life, I simply can't fathom the concept.
You believe God is everything, that's where we disagree, and the reason you can't understand my reasoning.
For me God is a run from the harsh reality we have. It's though to hold the whole world on one's shoulders.
02 Oct 07
Originally posted by whodeyJust shoot the religious parents. We've got enough crackpots on this planet as it is.
Apparenlty, Quebec is threatening Mennonite families that if they don't send their children to public school to be educated about evolution they might take them away.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57199
Should they be allowed to do this?
02 Oct 07
Originally posted by Starrman1) Professional teachers train to entertain, control, and evaluate in bulk. Home schooling parents probably make up in passion what they lack in crowd control skills.
Evidence:
1) Home schooling is dependent on the parents' academic prowess, the educated, passionate teacher figure you speak of is a rare case (and in my view especially in the religious community), that's why teachers train.
2) Home schooling is generally conducted for religious means and consequently has a biased curriculum.
3) Home schooling means t ...[text shortened]... f schooling are invaluable and are something a home schooling environment just cannot provide.
2) Parochial schools also emphasize different parts of the curriculum. So do many charter schools. Actually, to eschew all bias, you would have to select viewpoints at random and teach those -- a challenging curriculum to say the least, although an interesting idea.
3) Home schooling usually takes place in a network. Plus kids play with each other after school.
4) Parents in poor areas are working several jobs -- unlikely home schooling candidates.
5) With the internet, there is no shortage of opinions available to enrich a home schooling program -- more resources, potentially, than students imprisoned in a classroom listening to the same voice lecturing day after day.
Looking at the disasters of aboriginal peoples whose children were forced into mission schools; and the multitudes of alienated, turned-off kids in today's public school warehouses -- I don't think being trained by your parents should produce that much worse a result.
02 Oct 07
Originally posted by whodeyNO 1` its stupid.
Apparenlty, Quebec is threatening Mennonite families that if they don't send their children to public school to be educated about evolution they might take them away.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57199
Should they be allowed to do this?
02 Oct 07
Children should be taught data and theories and not lied to due to convenience.
Evolution, creation, and illusion are all metaphysical theories of where everything came from.
However, like Leopimis, I think these are questions best left to the individual to research on their own.
I don't know about anyone else's education, but I would think that there would be some more practical classes being forced on children before they hit the metaphysics.
What about classes on Economics and Investments?
Higher Mathematics and Physics
Programming Basics
The Truth about Banks and Credit Cards
Environmental Stewardship
Anger Management
Things that are going to positively prepare children for the future.