23 Jan 07
Originally posted by whodeyWell you have been saying what is and is not immoral, so I guess it's your decision.
Who is to say that anything is immoral? Your definition of morality seems to be that an activity is OK as long as those who choose to participate harm themselves and no one else. I am sure there are those out there that care little if "innocent" bystanders get harmed in the process as long as they benefit personally. THen again, no man is an island unto hi ...[text shortened]... innocent" people within the society you live one way or another. There is no way around it.
And I'm sure there's plenty of people who we consider morals that take advantage of others for their own gain. But either way, how is that statement relevant to this conversation? If we can make sure people aren't being harmed and regulate it, then what's the problem?
Until you can give an example on how a regulated prostitute effects your life and harms you, I'll continue to ignore your island statement. I honestly don't see how harming yourself will harm society (and that's on the basis that the regulated prostitutes are harming themselves, which you also have to prove).
23 Jan 07
Originally posted by whodeyWell, what goes out outside the adult establishment is not that establishment's responsibility. It's the police department's. And perhaps the criminals would be all over the region if they weren't drawn by a specific establishment. Post a link or reference a credible source that says that strippers cause crime. They might draw the type of character to commit crime to them, but they certainly don't instigate it, and neither would prostitutes. And why are prostitutes and strippers negative? What have they done to harm society? If anything, they keep the criminals you reference away from your neighborhood. And the reason why we distance them from us is to make sure our children don't grow up next to neon nude ladies, and so they don't attract the crime to our area. However, that doesn't mean that shouldn't exist. And again, divorcing these establishments would not mean divorcing crime; it would just mean spreading it out instead of having it in a concentrated area.
No. Adult establishments are not welcomed in rural areas because adult establishments have a higher rate of crime in and around those establishments even though they may be legal to run and monitored. As I said before, you are contributing to an negative element within society that contributes to negative activities within that society. You can attempt to ...[text shortened]... owever, having those establishments shut down altogether is better than having them open at all.
23 Jan 07
Originally posted by PalynkaWell, there is an added tax within the cost of gasoline/petrol, alcohol, and tobacco is the US. That's the sort of added funds, although in the end it would just end up in the same pot as other luxury tax money. (Dang -- too bad one can't land on the Free Parking space in real life!)
This is an interesting point. Do you think that prostitution should include an additional tax other than income taxes due to those reasons?
If it's the same tax as for every other profession, then I don't think they should be connected directly (although I would support the measures you propose, except the client ID card which I think would drive a substantially part of prostitution back underground).
You're right -- the card isn't feasible. But hey -- life is full of risks. Free sex between consenting adults isn't regulated, so really I'm not sure I'd support requirements of health testing, etc. When you sleep with someone, you're also sleeping with everyone else they ever slept with, on and on exponentially. So if someone's willing to forego preventative measures, they should be willing to assume the risks.
25 Jan 07
Originally posted by Remora91???
Well if this is going to be a business that the government can tax, perhaps clients should have to sign forms that warn them of the dangers and says that they accept responsibility for any STDs they pick up and spread from the brothel. And maybe we should have special brothels where prostitutes with STDs can have clients with the same ones. This would allow ...[text shortened]... ostitutes should be put on antibiotics to lessen the chance of them spreading or contracting it.
aids and herpes are viral diseases, antibiotics won't work.
there's effectively no cure for these, i think. not the way antibiotics cure bacterial diseases.
25 Jan 07
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Originally posted by zeeblebotThis is correct.
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aids and herpes are viral diseases, antibiotics won't work.
there's effectively no cure for these, i think. not the way antibiotics cure bacterial diseases.
EDIT - Remora, that picture of you hugging ark looks an awful lot like murrow's penguinpuffin, at least in peripheral vision.
25 Jan 07
Originally posted by Remora91Here is a link that shows a link between adult entertainment establishments and higher rates of crime within the areas in which those establishments reside.
Until you can give an example on how a regulated prostitute effects your life and harms you, I'll continue to ignore your island statement. I honestly don't see how harming yourself will harm society (and that's on the basis that the regulated prostitutes are harming themselves, which you also have to prove).[/b]
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/trials/conlaw/AmandaBooks.html
25 Jan 07
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Originally posted by Remora91I could not disagree more. We all need to take ownership of how each of us positivly or negativly effects society in which we live whether or not we may be violating the letter of the law or not. This is part of the problem we face in society today, people are more concerned about making a dollar of two than they are effecting society in a positive way. I think if people began asking the question of what can I do to improve the problems I see within the society in which I live, instead of pointing the finger at other people and saying what are you going to do to fix it, the world would be a much better place to live.
[b]Well, what goes out outside the adult establishment is not that establishment's responsibility.
25 Jan 07
Originally posted by zeeblebotIf you read my post, you'll realize I never said there was a cure to either virus. There are medications however to lessen the chance of them spreading it to a partner or a child during pregnancy.
someone needs to ask kirksey about the birds and the bees and viral disease ...
25 Jan 07
Originally posted by whodey"Page Not Found."
Here is a link that shows a link between adult entertainment establishments and higher rates of crime within the areas in which those establishments reside.
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/trials/conlaw/AmandaBooks.html
Show me a link that proves that these establishments cause crime, not attract it.
25 Jan 07
Originally posted by whodeyIf somebody gets shot outside your house, since when are you the criminal? You cannot prove that adult establishments cause crime in any way. They simply attract criminals, just as lawyers do. But we don't think of them as a negative effect on society (all jokes aside). If anything, these businesses effect society in a positive way by keeping the criminals close to them instead of the neighborhood a few miles away. It simply attracts and concentrates the crime instead of spreading it out.
I could not disagree more. We all need to take ownership of how each of us positivly or negativly effects society in which we live whether or not we may be violating the letter of the law or not. This is part of the problem we face in society today, people are more concerned about making a dollar of two than they are effecting society in a positive way. I ...[text shortened]... e and saying what are you going to do to fix it, the world would be a much better place to live.