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@sonhouse saidSonhouse you seem to have a poor understanding of the US electorate, and human nature also. Have you done the slightest bit of objective research into the outcome of the US election?
@Sleepyguy
REALLY? SHE is unhinged.
So you really believe the lies Trump pukes out daily.
You really drank the koolaid ........
I’ve been listening to the electoral research talking heads all day, and what was clear about Trump voters is that many of them don’t particularly approve of him personally but they do like his policies. Fundamentally they put aside their interpersonal dislikes and vote on the issues which are most important to them. They simply don’t care about his apocryphal rhetoric. In the case of those who do care about all his blurb, they vote Democrat out of principle but not necessarily out of policy.
Looking back with hindsight I now think that the Democrats were fortunate to win last time as it was genuinely tight. Trump had made himself look a fool during Covid and made careless comments against lockdowns and blurted nonsense pseudo science and rambled on about bleach etc. He was very naive and lost a lot of approval.
I think the swing back to him this time is because people have largely gotten over all that and it isn’t as important to them. Rightly or wrongly, but it’s the voter’s choice. Couple that with the Democrats awful campaign (and I’m sorry it was utterly piss poor), Biden hanging on too long, the Party covering for him, the apparent shoe-in of Harris and despite her personal appeal the lack of detailed political and differentiated (from Biden) vision other than this (in my view) daily shrieking group hug and cries of “hello America” as she took the stage. It really wasn’t good from where I stood. Finally the lack of any comment and commitment to do anything at all about the crisis of immigration sealed her fate.
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@sonhouse saidI have no idea, but I doubt it.
@divegeester
So you DON'T think Trump will actually arrest and detain in concentration camps 10+ million workers for deportation or put in a 20% tariff on foreign good,
When it actually happens, don't say you were not warned.
Unless you already knew that was going to happen and totally approve.
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@sonhouse saidYou’re white aren’t you?
@divegeester
Sure, says the white boy who will win out better than blacks, browns or Asians.
I guess you are ok with Trump totally fuuking up the US, and you clearly think he won't, so explain how he WON'T be fuuking up the country.
You want me explain how Trump “wont” do something?
@divegeester
So I don't hear anything about what he said about deporting 10+ million people, first putting them in concentration camps.
You don't think that will happen? It sure as hell WILL happen because that was a campaign promise AND all the quote advisors unquote will just be yes men put in place PRECISELY because there will be no guard rails like last time, adults in the room held him from being even MORE of an assshole, but this time NOBODY will be the adult in the room, Trump does whatever the hell he wants and so goodbye aid to Ukraine BECAUSE Trump aligns with Putin and he WILL pull out of NATO and that BESIDES all the other promises made.
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@sonhouse saidIf you don’t click QUOTE then I’m not going to bother replying unless I see something specific.
@divegeester
So I don't hear anything about what he said about deporting 10+ million people, first putting them in concentration camps.
You don't think that will happen? It sure as hell WILL happen because that was a campaign promise AND all the quote advisors unquote will just be yes men put in place PRECISELY because there will be no guard rails like last time, adults in ...[text shortened]... E Trump aligns with Putin and he WILL pull out of NATO and that BESIDES all the other promises made.
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@sonhouse saidRelax sonhouse, we’re about to make America great again!
@divegeester
You know good and well Trump will do EXACTLY what he said he would do.
@sonhouse saidLast time he didn't.
@divegeester
You know good and well Trump will do EXACTLY what he said he would do.
Illegal immigration went up under trump.
Deficit spending went up under trump.
Manufacturing jobs were lost to China under trump.
Other than nominating SCOTUS justices, very little was accomplished while Trump was president last time.
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@wildgrass saidIt will take a while to deprogram all of you from the fake news.
Last time he didn't.
Illegal immigration went up under trump.
Deficit spending went up under trump.
Manufacturing jobs were lost to China under trump.
Other than nominating SCOTUS justices, very little was accomplished while Trump was president last time.
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@wildgrass saidSorry I had to watch the soon to be former vp, It was beautiful. Do you really question the huge amount of people that voted for that very reason. Did you see he won the popular vote also?
Are you really questioning the official budget numbers of the federal government?
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BUT this time it would be ONLY yes men 'advising' him as opposed to last time there were some adults in the building who would restrain his worse tendencies.
This time ONLY sycophants, yes men, will 'advise' him will never stop him from whatever whim he has ATT.
I think he made a deal with Putin already about what he will do to 'end' the Ukraine war, like giving Russia a third or more of its sovereign territory, freeing up Putin to attack somewhere else, Moldavia maybe.
There is no doubt Putin wants his old Soviet Union back or as much of it as he can swing.
So we imagine Trump pulling out of NATO, abandoning Europe and a new alliance formed, Russia and US.
I would not put it past Trump to do exactly that.
@sonhouse saidHello 20% inflation once those 20% tariffs go into effect.
You who voted him in are in for a bad surprise.
It won't work out like you thought,
Goodbye Ukraine, Goodbye education. Goodbye rights for women, goodbye rights for everyone else. Project 2025 here we come., Sad day in the US. Sad CENTURY actually. We will maybe NEVER recover from this, the biggest mistake in US history.
@shavixmir saidComedy? Not when all the comedians are jailed along with the journalists.
On the brighter side of things, it does guarantee 4 more years of painful comedy.
The more serious question is how much damage will trump do to the democratic, judicial and civil service structures the US has? These are matters that will affect the US for decades to come.