Something more powerful than God

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
I believe that 😉 is the smiley for "Father, forgive me this sinful comment. Please show mercy on me, for at least I am not an alcoholic."

To which I would point him in the direction of the Pharisee and
the Publican, one of my favorite parables (Luke 18:9-14).

Nemesio

Originally posted by nemesio

The moral of the story? Don't test G/god by asking H/him to do things
reserved for G/godhood.

One might argue that He will not go poof, but your head would
explode from the realization of the contradiction.

In amusement,
Nemesio

I consider myself duly warned. However, I will maintain
my trust in the Law of Non-Contradiction to exert its veto
power and protect my vulnerable head. If I'm wrong, then
hopefully God will have mercy on me for trying to use the
abilities of cognition that he has blessed me with to the best
of my abilities and at least give me a room next to you or
Kirksey in hell.

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
I consider myself duly warned. However, I will maintain
my trust in the Law of Non-Contradiction to exert its veto
power and protect my vulnerable head. If I'm wrong, then
hopefully God will have mercy on me for trying to use the
abilities of cognition that he has blessed me with to the best
of my abilities and at least give me a room next to you or
Kirksey in hell.

It reminds me of a Stephen Wright routine:

'Would you like your order to go, sir?'

'No.'

'So you will be staying?'

'No. It's in another dimension. I'd explain it to you,
but your head would blow up.'

From his show 'Wicker Chairs and Gravity,' as I recall.

Nemesio

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
The law of non-contradiction, simply stated, says that
logical contradictions cannot exist.

The law of non-contradiction is more powerful than God.
It prevents Him from making a rock too heavy for Him to lift.
It prevents Him from bringing both an unstoppable force and
an impassable barrier into existence.

It is his watchdog. It is his sup ...[text shortened]... law of non-contradiction
to make sure that law says it is OK.

Am I right or wrong?

Dr. S

And imagine an all-powerful and all-knowing God who creates people who (at least according to the professed Christians) he knows (even before creating them) will "burn in the eternal fires of damnation" because they will not be "saved".
Now that is a contadiction.

Originally posted by caissad4
And imagine an all-powerful and all-knowing God who creates people who (at least according to the professed Christians) he knows (even before creating them) will "burn in the eternal fires of damnation" because they will not be "saved".
Now that is a contadiction.

This is a question, I think, that is not answered by Scripture:
Why does God create people who He knows are destined for
hell-fire? Why not send them there in the first place?

The answer can't be 'to see if they will convert,' for He knows
in advance of their existence whether or not they will.

Nemesio

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
The law of non-contradiction, simply stated, says that
logical contradictions cannot exist.

The law of non-contradiction is more powerful than God.
It prevents Him from making a rock too heavy for Him to lift.
It prevents Him from bringing both an unstoppable force and
an impassable barrier into existence.

It is his watchdog. It is his sup ...[text shortened]... law of non-contradiction
to make sure that law says it is OK.

Am I right or wrong?

Dr. S

You have made a very interresting point.Except for one small detail. Do you claim to know the mind of GOD? From the point of human exsisttance your claims might be true.But from the point of view of GOD, HE would probablely answer you as he answered Job in Chapter 38. After what was spoken of HIM in Job Chapter 11:7-11.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
[b]God has to reveal Himself to each person, they must
be called of God to answer Him.

How come God hasn't revealed himself to me? I want to have him reveal himself to me...[/b]

A good question... Maybe if you give Him a chance He will reveal himself to you. Do you believe He exists? If not maybe that's the problem. If you seek Him with all your heart you shall find Him. Have you asked Him to reveal Himself to you?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
The law of non-contradiction, simply stated, says that
logical contradictions cannot exist.

The law of non-contradiction is more powerful than God.
It prevents Him from making a rock too heavy for Him to lift.
It prevents Him from bringing both an unstoppable force and
an impassable barrier into existence.

It is his watchdog. It is his sup ...[text shortened]... law of non-contradiction
to make sure that law says it is OK.

Am I right or wrong?

Dr. S

Aren't you putting your own limitations on God?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Aren't you putting your own limitations on God?

Just because the law of non-contradiction puts no limits on what you say does not mean that god is similarly privileged.

Originally posted by blindfaith101
You have made a very interresting point.Except for one small detail. Do you claim to know the mind of GOD? From the point of human exsisttance your claims might be true.But from the point of view of GOD, HE would probablely answer you as he answered Job in Chapter 38. After what was spoken of HIM in Job Chapter 11:7-11.

Do you know the mind of God? You claim to know how he would probably answer. You also seem to think God allowed himself to be accurately portrayed in the Bible. Where do you get this arrogance where you think you know the mind of God?

Originally posted by dj2becker
A good question... Maybe if you give Him a chance He will reveal himself to you. Do you believe He exists? If not maybe that's the problem. If you seek Him with all your heart you shall find Him. Have you asked Him to reveal Himself to you?

I am giving him a chance.

I doubt that he exists. That's the problem? So I have to believe for no reason. If I believe that Santa Claus will send me to Candyland, will he show himself to me too?

If I seek him with all my heart? No, I can't say I do that. It would be silly, because I doubt he exists. Why seek God? Why not seek Santa Claus? Or how about Zeus, or Ra?

Yes. I am asking God to reveal himself to me. Right now.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
I am giving him a chance.

I doubt that he exists. That's the problem? So I have to believe for no reason. If I believe that Santa Claus will send me to Candyland, will he show himself to me too?

If I seek him with all my heart? No, I can't say I do that. It would be silly, because I doubt he exists. Why seek God? Why not seek Santa Claus? Or how about Zeus, or Ra?

Yes. I am asking God to reveal himself to me. Right now.

If you doubt that he exists, yet you want him to reveal himself to you isn't there is a bit of faith lacking there? You say you want Him to reveal himself to you but you also have to believe for no reason? Is it not reason enough to believe in him if you expect a revelation from him? Remeber God resists the proud, but shows grace to the humble.

Originally posted by dj2becker
If you doubt that he exists, yet you want him to reveal himself to you isn't there is a bit of faith lacking there? You say you want Him to reveal himself to you but you also have to believe for no reason? Is it not reason enough to believe in him if you expect a revelation from him? Remeber God resists the proud, but shows grace to the humble.

Does God think?
And if He does,, does he think one thought after another,,or all thoughts at once?
Also since He always was ,,,When did He have his first thought?

Originally posted by nemesio
This is a question, I think, that is not answered by Scripture:
Why does God create people who He knows are destined for
hell-fire? Why not send them there in the first place?

The answer can't be 'to see if they will convert,' for He knows
in advance of their existence whether or not they will.

Nemesio

Does God's knowledge take away from human choice? If the
choices are freely made by all who make them, does God knowing
in advance void those choices? Is this one of those can God make
a square circle type of questions? If the choices are made freely,
and those that accept God's salvation do so for the reasons not
forced are not the choices valid? If it is simply God made some to
burn and others not to, I could see the complaint. If the whole
race was placed in a position of being cast into the fire like the
devil and his angels will be, yet God redeems those who answer
His call, accept His offer of salvation, is this mercy for those who
seek it, or needless suffering for those that reject it? Personally
I believe human life now is so messy because we have the freedom
to make our own choices, and we do it badly when we think we can
get away with it.
Kelly

Originally posted by royalchicken
Just because the law of non-contradiction puts no limits on what you say does not mean that god is similarly privileged.

I am tempted to subscribe for, if nothing else, the privilege to be the first to recommend this post.