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07 Aug 21
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@mghrn55 saidDid anyone ( other than myself ) put on their critical thinking caps and actually examine the validity of the results and are willing to address this obvious fact?
@no1marauder
Yeah but....yeah but.... but.... but....
The .09% in New Jersey that died were vaccinated.
The vaccines don't work.
But all those vaccinated people, a lot of them are old people.
And they're not dying even though they're going to die anyways.
And the government is just giving the vaccines away. Vaccines are free stuff !!
Oh dear. I'm having trouble keeping my narrative straight !!
Metal Brain, eladar, averagejoe.
Help me out here !! 😆😆😆😆
The majority of these deaths that occurred in this "studies" data, occurred before vaccination rate had reached any reasonable level in the respective populations for the duration collected data.
Most of the data begins in January 21, and the majority of deaths tabulated occurred before the end of February 21. Vaccination rates at the end of February were not significant in any state at that time. The studies authors continued to tabulate the data for the "vax effectiveness" as almost no one was dying in any population ( vaxed or unvaxed ) over the last 5 months ( the data concludes at the end of July ), but the vaccinations were increasing ( from null ) over that period...how convenient. They are literally just padding the denominator while there isn't any outbreak.
The fact that not a lot of people died, when almost no one was vaccinated, just before a natural seasonal lull shouldn't catch anyone off-guard!
@kewpie saidTo recover from difficulty.
As for the crying daughter, she's not crying, she's learned resilience. Clearly not from you though.
So, if the left succeeds in imposing Marx on our society, which would you say......”Get over it.”, or would you say “Do something and change it!”
The first choice of course. You would thus be saying follow the mob, the group. Our leaders are changing life from natural to unnatural and you must follow the rules, no matter how unnatural, of your dear leader. You, daughter, are no longer what you think you are. You cannot both be girls. If he is a girl, you are something else.
I would say, “ Daughter, don’t have children in this society. Tomorrow, I will give you new definitions, like the one for patriotism. After 250 years, everything will change”.
08 Aug 21
@mchill saidI think I am more of a one-track mind when we have the future of America in the balance.
This forum is to trade ideas about things from the heart.
Wrong! - This forum is for debating topics, no matter where they originate. i.e the heart, legal statutes, mathematical proofs, economic models, weather patterns, one's opinion regarding the need for dog racing - and yes, Stats!
Your limited scope of thinking here says a lot about you. 😕
I guess there is something wrong with me.
@averagejoe1 saidI guess there is something wrong with me.
I think I am more of a one-track mind when we have the future of America in the balance.
I guess there is something wrong with me.
Professional help is available for those suffering from ailments such as paranoia, and feelings of helplessness.
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@mghrn55 saidWell...are you going to address what I've presented or not? I'll repost it.
@no1marauder
Yeah but....yeah but.... but.... but....
The .09% in New Jersey that died were vaccinated.
The vaccines don't work.
But all those vaccinated people, a lot of them are old people.
And they're not dying even though they're going to die anyways.
And the government is just giving the vaccines away. Vaccines are free stuff !!
Oh dear. I'm having trouble keeping my narrative straight !!
Metal Brain, eladar, averagejoe.
Help me out here !! 😆😆😆😆
From Table 1:
New Jersey the figure is 7 deaths in the fully vaccinated population vs 7,553 Total deaths during the observation period 12/15/20 to 4/23/21.
that is 7/7553*100 = .09%, which is where the 99.91% figure share of death is the unvaccinated population comes from. 100 - 0.09 = 99.91
HOWEVER The vaccination rate at the end of the 5 month observation period was 2.8 mill /8.8 mill = 32% ( corrected from 25% in the initial post) in the population of the state of New Jersey
Vaccinations began in late December of 2020 ( at the beginning of the observation period ). Of the 7,553 people dying during that period, the majority of them had done so prior to the end of February. Thus, the deaths marked in this table were representative of a [b]nearly fully unvaccinated population[\b] in New Jersey.
New Jersey is actually the better of the states stopping in April 21. Most of them data runs until mid July during no outbreaks while vaccination was climbing. This study by KFF is seriously flawed.
@averagejoe1 saidDo you fellers give no thought to to, for instance, vaccine passprts? This is authoritarian. Which leads to dictatorship. It does not stop there.
I think I am more of a one-track mind when we have the future of America in the balance.
I guess there is something wrong with me.
Those here leaning far left, are you comfortable wit thar? Dog racing a more meaningful topic? Cute comments are like a warm blanket, as you are melded into your safe group. You await a Dear Leader it seems.
This is what i worry about.
And I pontificate with no links!
08 Aug 21
@joe-shmo saidI think it's much simpler than you're portraying it. These stats boil to two questions: 1) Are you hospitalized with COVID? 2) Are you vaccinated?
Did anyone ( other than myself ) put on their critical thinking caps and actually examine the validity of the results and are willing to address this obvious fact?
The majority of these deaths that occurred in this "studies" data, occurred before vaccination rate had reached any reasonable level in the respective populations for the duration collected data.
Most of ...[text shortened]... almost no one was vaccinated, just before a natural seasonal lull shouldn't catch anyone off-guard!
The time points are irrelevant.
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@wildgrass saidThat is utter nonsense and you know it. They were tallying vaccinations while neither populations ( vaxed/unvaxed ) were experiencing outbreak. The majority of deaths/ hospitalizations that they draw their comparison from occurred before a significant level of the population were vaccinated. Its the chronology of that is about the most relevant piece of information there is!
I think it's much simpler than you're portraying it. These stats boil to two questions: 1) Are you hospitalized with COVID? 2) Are you vaccinated?
The time points are irrelevant.
You cant die from COVID as a vaccinated person, unless you have first been vaccinated. You are being incredibly dishonest with yourself about what this data/study actually shows. Which is IMO complete garbage science.
@joe-shmo saidYou are being deliberately misleading. You picked New Jersey because it is the only State who's data runs only to April; almost all the rest run to July.
Well...are you going to address what I've presented or not? I'll repost it.
From Table 1:
New Jersey the figure is 7 deaths in the fully vaccinated population vs 7,553 Total deaths during the observation period 12/15/20 to 4/23/21.
that is 7/7553*100 = .09%, which is where the 99.91% figure share of death is the unvaccinated population comes from. 100 - 0.09 = 99.9 ...[text shortened]... mid July during no outbreaks while vaccination was climbing. This study by KFF is seriously flawed.
The KFF used only official State data and obviously some States are remiss in collecting it. Nevertheless nothing you have said refutes the main point i.e. that being vaccinated greatly reduces your chance of getting COVID19 and reduces the risk of hospitalization and death even more. It's been a long time since 95% to 99% of the population was unvaccinated.
@joe-shmo saidYou aren't explaining yourself very well. What is "a significant level"? What's that got to do with anything? Outbreak? That's not relevant either.
That is utter nonsense and you know it. They were tallying vaccinations while neither populations ( vaxed/unvaxed ) were experiencing outbreak. The majority of deaths/ hospitalizations that they draw their comparison from occurred before a significant level of the population were vaccinated. Its the chronology of that is about the most relevant piece of information ...[text shortened]... nest with yourself about what this data/study actually shows. Which is IMO complete garbage science.
Among the hospitalized, what percentage were/are vaccinated?
In Florida (vaccination rate 49% ), RIGHT NOW, more than 90% of those hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated.
https://www.wesh.com/article/central-florida-health-officials-more-than-90-of-covid-19-hospitalizations-are-unvaccinated-people/37170824
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@wildgrass saidPick another state to compare. Florida is a Big N/A for the study.
You aren't explaining yourself very well. What is "a significant level"? What's that got to do with anything? Outbreak? That's not relevant either.
Among the hospitalized, what percentage were/are vaccinated?
In Florida (vaccination rate 49% ), RIGHT NOW, more than 90% of those hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated.
https://www.wesh.com/article/central-florida-health-officials-more-than-90-of-covid-19-hospitalizations-are-unvaccinated-people/37170824
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@no1marauder saidMisleading...And you picked New Jersey to highlight because its 99.91%. Pot calling the kettle black...
You are being deliberately misleading. You picked New Jersey because it is the only State who's data runs only to April; almost all the rest run to July.
The KFF used only official State data and obviously some States are remiss in collecting it. Nevertheless nothing you have said refutes the main point i.e. that being vaccinated greatly reduces your chance of getting ...[text shortened]... tion and death even more. It's been a long time since 95% to 99% of the population was unvaccinated.
09 Aug 21
@averagejoe1 saidWhat future is it that you are so afraid of ?
I think I am more of a one-track mind when we have the future of America in the balance.
I guess there is something wrong with me.