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@joe-shmo saidThe article gave accurate information. It is hardly surprising that cases, hospitalizations and death rates went down as vaccinations increased (and initially they were targeted to those who were most vulnerable) but the pace of vaccinations fell sharply after early April and a majority of persons in the US were unvaccinated until last week. The data consistently shows that the unvaccinated comprise 95% or more of cases, hospitalizations and deaths.
"The data is incomplete for sure. "
Incomplete is not the correct word for it. The data is heavily skewed. They are dividing apples by oranges and getting cherries and calling it "science"...
"There's no way to avoid studying this as a moving target."
And as a moving target... they need to apply some statistical methodology, and lets see some error bars.
And if ...[text shortened]... o fundamentally basic as this they aren't worth worth the time to even read the accompanying report.
Maybe you could propose a mathematical model similar to the one you came up with early in the pandemic that showed that about 40,000 would die of COVID in the US before it petered out to insignificant levels.
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12 Aug 21
@no1marauder saidshh...the adults are talking.
The article gave accurate information. It is hardly surprising that cases, hospitalizations and death rates went down as vaccinations increased (and initially they were targeted to those who were most vulnerable) but the pace of vaccinations fell sharply after early April and a majority of persons in the US were unvaccinated until last week. The data consistently shows th ...[text shortened]... showed that about 40,000 would die of COVID in the US before it petered out to insignificant levels.
14 Aug 21
@averagejoe1 saidYes he does have a personal opinion about abortion. His opinion is that the unborn are not entitled to constitutional rights and that reasoning is not similar in any way to black people who were not considered persons under the constitution in order to justify slavery.
Help me...am I wrong, or does Marauder ever have an original, personal opinion about anything ?
14 Aug 21
@joe-shmo saidI don't know enough about epidemiology to address these criticisms. Error bars, though, seem to be problematic since they are just counting people. This is not a predictive measurement, just an analysis of the situation on the ground. This # of people were hospitalized with COVID, this # of people were vaccinated. How do you apply statistical error to that? And again, they address caveats.
"The data is incomplete for sure. "
Incomplete is not the correct word for it. The data is heavily skewed. They are dividing apples by oranges and getting cherries and calling it "science"...
"There's no way to avoid studying this as a moving target."
And as a moving target... they need to apply some statistical methodology, and lets see some error bars.
And if ...[text shortened]... o fundamentally basic as this they aren't worth worth the time to even read the accompanying report.
14 Aug 21
@joe-beyser saidBlack people, including slaves, were considered "persons" under the Constitution:
Yes he does have a personal opinion about abortion. His opinion is that the unborn are not entitled to constitutional rights and that reasoning is not similar in any way to black people who were not considered persons under the constitution in order to justify slavery.
"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. Article I, Section 2
By contrast, the unborn were never considered "persons": "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." 14th Amendment Section 1
14 Aug 21
@joe-shmo saidTrying to dodge the creator of a thread's comments is an interesting debating tactic.
shh...the adults are talking.