23 Oct 07
Thanks to the Labour 'Welfare State' policies there are now 2.4 million living on permanent 'incapacity benefit', and another 1.5 million on unemployment benefit. Meanwhile we have to import willing workers from Eastern Europe to fill all the vacant jobs which are spurned by the 4 million idlers, thereby creating severe pressures on our already over-stretched public services such as housing, education, and the infamous NHS.
That's what socialism does for you.
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23 Oct 07
Originally posted by CartanSo whats your suggestion ?
Thanks to the Labour 'Welfare State' policies there are now 2.4 million living on permanent 'incapacity benefit', and another 1.5 million on unemployment benefit. Meanwhile we have to import willing workers from Eastern Europe to fill all the vacant jobs which are spurned by the 4 million idlers, thereby creating severe pressures on our already over-stretched ...[text shortened]... .
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Should people be forced to work ?
Should we stop importing in people for the jobs that no one else wants to do ?
The immigrates are providing a service to this country, so if they pay taxes, they have every right for health care etc.
Fundenmentally some people are just too lazy, not sure if you watch wife swap on C4, but the other day it showed a farmer that earned less money then some confused umeployed married women (who had a girlfriend also)....so what incentive is their for people to work.
I slave my guts out working, but after taxes, morgage, bills, London living costs, not much is left.....
23 Oct 07
Headline: Incapacity benefit claims still on the rise
text: the overall total for incapacity benefit claims remained relatively stable, rising from 2.42 million to 2.43 million.
past figures:
Nov-03 2.78 million (peak)
Nov-04 2.77 million
Nov-05 2.71 million
Aug-06 2.68 million
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/asd/asd1/stats_summary/Stats_Summary_Feb_2007.pdf
Rising? Or falling?
Add on about another 40000 for the pensioners who receive IB.
Why pensioners should get IB I do not know.
23 Oct 07
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The post that was quoted here has been removedYou sounded fairly level headed until you came out with this outrageously far right comment. You should have been around during the Nazi era, you would have loved it.
It's a shame because I agreed with you before you said that, and your bizzar comment discredits both you and your argument.
23 Oct 07
Originally posted by RSMA1234It's inexcusable that the able-bodied forego the benefit and self-satisfaction of putting in a hard-day's work for a fair wage. In my parent's generation, self-sufficiency used to be a goal that all strove for, now, with so many regulatory agencies, tax men and aggrieved "victim's groups" to support, most people throw up their hands and say: What's the point? Why bother?
So whats your suggestion ?
Should people be forced to work ?
Should we stop importing in people for the jobs that no one else wants to do ?
The immigrates are providing a service to this country, so if they pay taxes, they have every right for health care etc.
Fundenmentally some people are just too lazy, not sure if you watch wife swap on C4, ...[text shortened]... my guts out working, but after taxes, morgage, bills, London living costs, not much is left.....
23 Oct 07
Originally posted by CartanI was raised and have always believed that there is nothing wrong with giving someone a hand up and some help when they need it. That doesn't mean giving you a handout for the rest of your life. Government is not your Mommy and daddy, its not society' job to take care of you forever.
Thanks to the Labour 'Welfare State' policies there are now 2.4 million living on permanent 'incapacity benefit', and another 1.5 million on unemployment benefit. Meanwhile we have to import willing workers from Eastern Europe to fill all the vacant jobs which are spurned by the 4 million idlers, thereby creating severe pressures on our already over-stretched ...[text shortened]... .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
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Unfortunately in the States, the progressives believe that it is. But even more insdious is the fact that some progressives have found this is the way to create a permanent voter base, we will keep creating government programs for you if you keep voting us into office.
Now they are trying to corral the illegal immigrants in as well, but illegal immigrants can't vote. This is a problem, solution, amnesty for the illegal immigrants and they become citizens.
Of course, adding 8 to 20 million to programs that are already strained to the max will cause them to collapse. So what, think the progressive politicians, we can be in office till it all falls down. Or we will raise the cigarette tax another $5 per pack
23 Oct 07
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Originally posted by CartanWhat proportion of those on incapacity benifit could actually work?
Thanks to the Labour 'Welfare State' policies there are now 2.4 million living on permanent 'incapacity benefit', and another 1.5 million on unemployment benefit. Meanwhile we have to import willing workers from Eastern Europe to fill all the vacant jobs which are spurned by the 4 million idlers, thereby creating severe pressures on our already over-stretched .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
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And even if many of them could work, would they be as productive as our Eastern Eurpean friends?
If you want a prosperous nation - forcing invalid's to contribute to the economy will not work.
23 Oct 07
Originally posted by CartanOf course, an old fart like you wouldn't accept any handouts from the state, would they?
Thanks to the Labour 'Welfare State' policies there are now 2.4 million living on permanent 'incapacity benefit', and another 1.5 million on unemployment benefit. Meanwhile we have to import willing workers from Eastern Europe to fill all the vacant jobs which are spurned by the 4 million idlers, thereby creating severe pressures on our already over-stretched ...[text shortened]... .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
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23 Oct 07
Originally posted by CartanPerhaps the 2.4 million are incapacitated because they had to work too long-a-hours for too little pay?
Thanks to the Labour 'Welfare State' policies there are now 2.4 million living on permanent 'incapacity benefit', and another 1.5 million on unemployment benefit. Meanwhile we have to import willing workers from Eastern Europe to fill all the vacant jobs which are spurned by the 4 million idlers, thereby creating severe pressures on our already over-stretched ...[text shortened]... .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
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That's capitalism for you.
23 Oct 07
Originally posted by shavixmirHmmmm everything seems to be capitalism's fault ... I got a ingrown toe nail ... must be some damn investment broker's fault.
Perhaps the 2.4 million are incapacitated because they had to work too long-a-hours for too little pay?
That's capitalism for you.
Or maybe I just didn't take care of my feet.