07 Sep 05
Originally posted by RochadeThat's a capital B for British Rochade, unless you were
We used to be Allies (The Germans and their army, you know the guys which build everything up and are in charge for peace once your marine killer commandos has left the area). But no more when it is up to me.
The US will someday leave the Iraq for its doom and flee as they did with Vietnam. Then the Iran will come and the only result of the great WAR ON ...[text shortened]... esident on air in an appropiate manner for the PR advisors.
The whole thing is a fu*** joke.
trying to be patronising.
n.b. That means talking down to people.
07 Sep 05
Originally posted by Bosse de NageUrgent, serious problems around the world require a global response. The mis-governance issues in the US are minor compared the the systemic failures in Africa. If people (and that includes Americans) are so exercised about mis-governance, shouldn't efforts be directed at the most egregious examples first?
In response to poor governance of their own country, Americans should find fault with Africa. Fantastic solution, Mr Grice.
07 Sep 05
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Originally posted by ivangriceFancy having a city below sea level near the sea, a lake and a river.
STANG, please respond.
Fancy having a city on a fault line.
Fancy being arrogant and not expecting retaliation.
Fancy the dependency on oil and all the news about oil prices when everyone has known for decades that oil is rapidly diminishing.
Fancy having a president who has personal financial interests in oil and military equipment and not expecting to lose soldiers in Iraq.
07 Sep 05
Originally posted by ivangriceYou're trying to treat the symptoms, not the cause. Misgovernance in the world's greatest power(s) exacerbates problems elsewhere in the world. It is, for example, implicated in the systemic collapses you refer to.
Urgent, serious problems around the world require a global response. The mis-governance issues in the US are minor compared the the systemic failures in Africa. If people (and that includes Americans) are so exercised about mis-governance, shouldn't efforts be directed at the most egregious examples first?
Which African countries in particular are you concerned about? Note that the population of Ethiopia and Sudan combined is less than half the total population of the USA...
07 Sep 05
While it is true that there are serious issues in other nations that need to be addressed, there are also serious problems here in the US that we need to address first.
Our school system is a joke. Literacy is on the decline and GW's Faux Child Left Behind is a joke.
Homelessness and unemployment are rampant. (for all you GW supporters I will add the next line) Unemployment is actually down (for everyone else) but people are working more jobs for less money.
We need to take care of our own before we run off to Iraq or Africa to tell them how to run their country.
07 Sep 05
Originally posted by Bosse de NageLiberia, Sierra Leone, Nigeria, Kenya, Ivory Coast etc.
You're trying to treat the symptoms, not the cause. Misgovernance in the world's greatest power(s) exacerbates problems elsewhere in the world. It is, for example, implicated in the systemic collapses you refer to.
Which African countries in particular are you concerned about? Note that the population of Ethiopia and Sudan combined is less than half the total population of the USA...
07 Sep 05
Originally posted by RochadeGerman allies my ass. Where were the Budeswehr soldiers when I was on the Czech border? In the Kaserne sleeping in their warm beds.
We used to be Allies (The Germans and their army, you know the guys which build everything up and are in charge for peace once your marine killer commandos has left the area). But no more when it is up to me.
The US will someday leave the Iraq for its doom and flee as they did with Vietnam. Then the Iran will come and the only result of the great WAR ON ...[text shortened]... esident on air in an appropiate manner for the PR advisors.
The whole thing is a fu*** joke.
08 Sep 05
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Originally posted by TheSkipperBush didn't cut anything...the money went to New Orleans, tens of millions of dollars... but New Orleans officials found other, more important things on which to spend the money...like restoring Mardi Gras fountains...
FEMA did not plan for the levees to break? Why? Three days prior to the storm weather prognosticators started say New Orleans is going to get a ton of wind and RAIN in what we call a hurricane. They predicted over 20 inches of rain actually. 20 inches of rain in a city that is directly next to a large lake, the biggest river in the country and the Gul ...[text shortened]... somebody else to defend because Bush does not deserve even your attempt to do so.
TheSkipper
The 'fault' if you want to use that term, lies 100% with the useless Mayor of New Orleans and the equally useless Governor of Louisiana...
The city does have an Emergency Plan in place...it's actually a pretty good plan...however, the mayor, for whatever reasons, chose not to follow any of it...
Here's the link if you don't believe me:
http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26
tells exactly what they're supposed to do, and when... none of it was done...it specifically places the mayor in charge of evacuation, etc... where the hell was he?
It's not the responsibility of the President of the United States to evacuate a city about to be hit by a hurricaine... that's the job of local officials...
btw, the plan calls for beginning the evacuation 72 hours before the expected strike, STARTING WITH THOSE WHO CAN NOT TRANSPORT THEMSELVES... again, where was the f*****g Mayor???
Incidentally, the Mayor apparently no longer blames Bush, but rather the Governor now...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/5/234033.shtml
Now we have Hillary Rodham saying that we need to take FEMA OUT of the Dept of Homeland Security... well gee, guess who's idea it was to put FEMA INTO the Dept of Homeland Security? Joe Lieberman... and guess who voted in favor of it? Hillary Rodham... shouldn't we be asking HER what the hell SHE was thinking? Senators and Representatives keep getting a pass on all of these things...
New Orleans is nothing more than a big amusement park, being run by a bunch of clowns...
Note also the following, from http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3kt.htm
Full text of article follows:
NEW ORLEANS FLASHBACK: OFFICALS WARNED RESIDENTS 'YOU'LL BE ON YOUR OWN'
Mon Sep 05 2005 18:57:15 ET
Before residents had ever heard the words "Hurricane Katrina," the New Orleans TIMES-PICAYUNE ran a story warning residents: If you stay behind during a big storm, you'll be on your own!
Editors at TIMES-PICAYUNE on Monday called for every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency to be fired. In an open letter to President Bush, the paper said: "Our people deserved rescuing. Many who could have been were not. That's to the government's shame."
But the TIMES-PICAYUNE published a story on July 24, 2005 stating: City, state and federal emergency officials are preparing to give a historically blunt message: "In the event of a major hurricane, you're on your own."
Staff writer Bruce Nolan reported some 7 weeks before Katrina: "In scripted appearances being recorded now, officials such as Mayor Ray Nagin, local Red Cross Executive Director Kay Wilkins and City Council President Oliver Thomas drive home the word that the city does not have the resources to move out of harm's way an estimated 134,000 people without transportation."
"In the video, made by the anti-poverty agency Total Community Action, they urge those people to make arrangements now by finding their own ways to leave the city in the event of an evacuation.
"You're responsible for your safety, and you should be responsible for the person next to you," Wilkins said in an interview. "If you have some room to get that person out of town, the Red Cross will have a space for that person outside the area. We can help you."
Developing...
END OF ARTICLE
So, here we have a Democratic Governor telling all of these residents that, even though he, as a Democrat, promised to ALWAYS take care of them, here he's telling them that they're on their own if a hurricaine hits us... oooo, what leadership!!
Not that I give a rat's a** about polls, but here are the results of the latest CNN/Gallup/USA Today poll:
copied from
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm
(that's the URL in my browser, don't know how long the link will be good)
CNNUSATODAYGALLUP POLL: ONLY 13% BLAME BUSH?
Wed Sep 07 2005 10:42:26 ET
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of 609 adults taken September 5-6 shows:
Blame Game -- 13% said George W. Bush is "most responsible for the problems in New Orleans after the hurricane"; 18% said "federal agencies"; 25% said "state and local officials"; 38% said "no one is to blame"; 6% had no opinion. -- 29% said that "top officials in the federal agencies responsible for handling emergencies should be fired"; 63% said they should not; 8% had no opinion.
MORE
Government Performance -- 10% said George W. Bush has done a "great" job in "responding to the hurricane and subsequent flooding"; 25% said "good"; 21% said "neither good nor bad"; 18% said "bad"; 24% said "terrible"; 2% had no opinion. -- 8% said federal government agencies responsible for handling emergencies have done a "great" job in "responding to the hurricane and subsequent flooding"; 27% said "good"; 20% said "neither good nor bad"; 20% said "bad"; 22% said "terrible"; 3% had no opinion. -- 7% said state and local officials in Louisiana have done a "great" job in "responding to the hurricane and subsequent flooding"; 30% said "good"; 23% said "neither good nor bad"; 20% said "bad"; 15% said "terrible"; 5% had no opinion.
Developing...
Anyway, as more details emerge, more people are seeing how pathetic the local government is in New Oleans...
Oh, and one other thing...when Bush was in Florida last year after the hurricaines (we got hit by Charley ourselves in August), the libs were all over him, saying he's only there to look good on TV, he doesn't really care about anyone, and besides, when the President is in town, nothing gets done because of security precautions, etc...
Now, when he wasn't there (in New Orleans) the next f*****g day, the libs want to know "Where the hell is Bush?"
So obviously, libs have a problem with Bush showing up after a disaster, and they have a problem with him NOT showing up after a disaster... just make up your minds, will ya??
08 Sep 05
Originally posted by TheBloopwow, that's a really good post. you ought to headline a new thread with it.
Bush didn't cut anything...the money went to New Orleans, tens of millions of dollars... but New Orleans officials found other, more important things on which to spend the money...like restoring Mardi Gras fountains...
The 'fault' if you want to use that term, lies 100% with the useless Mayor of New Orleans and the equally useless Governor of Louisian ...[text shortened]... ey have a problem with him NOT showing up after a disaster... just make up your minds, will ya??