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@averagejoe1 said
You mentioned a fetus, and a human. But we are talking about a baby. We are trying to find the baby in all of this. Did I see you just jump from fetus to human, and leave the baby out?!?!?? Liberal-eze at its finest. But u r not a liberal.

@wildgrass said
Yes, breath is the metric laid out in the Bible and used to define life for millenia.

@wildgrass said
Right. That's just the medical terminology. But.. are you agreeing there's a difference between a fetus and a human? Generally speaking it's a fetus until it's born.

Legally, the Supreme Court tried to clear it up 50 years ago based on potential human life. It appears to be re-muddled now.

Morally, I don't know. This forum doesn't do so well with morality. Although re ...[text shortened]... long argued that life begins at breath, until recently of course when it's become hyper-politicized.

@wildgrass said
I don't know. I assume a baby is a human so it would likely have to have been born first. By definition.

@AverageJoe1
And it is also clear you don't want to talk about the decades long war repubs have waged to get and KEEP power in the US. Now the Moore case before SCOTUS may do just that, legalize the push for repub states to throw out the real electors and install their own and now repubs win forever.

Is that ok with you? I never see you even broach that subject.

@averagejoe1 said
‘The emergence of a new individual from the body of its parent’. That is the definition of born, which you mentioned above. That word describes an action, moving from one place to the other. The blob that we are speaking of was the same before it began the emergence until after the emergence. Except that it is started breathing now, and catching up with his breathing sibling, The other baby. For the record, are y’all still calling the unborn baby a fetus? Really weird.

@averagejoe1 said
OK, King. This will prove it is a baby while in the womb.
Mother pregnant with twins.
Twin #1 born at 1PM. The blob that leaves the woman's body is a baby, referred to as such by the nurses and older brother on other side of the glass. Cool. Baby Bill.
Twin #2 is not born until 3PM.
If #1 is a baby, is not #2, inside the womb, a baby? Or, is there a ...[text shortened]... 1. Why would you not agree with that? We are trying to get to the bottom of what you are saying .

@averagejoe1 said
My apologies for interjecting the Bible. King David set me off on that. The Bible has nothing to do with this discussion. If that were the case, then we would have to bring the Koran into all this.🙃

@wildgrass said
Yes. The action of birth and breath are the last action-packed steps towards human life.

@mike69 said
Maybe you should take a while and put more thought in, that sounds weak.

@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
And it is also clear you don't want to talk about the decades long war repubs have waged to get and KEEP power in the US. Now the Moore case before SCOTUS may do just that, legalize the push for repub states to throw out the real electors and install their own and now repubs win forever.

Is that ok with you? I never see you even broach that subject.

@wildgrass said
Yes. The action of birth and breath are the last action-packed steps towards human life.

@kingdavid403 said
King David set me off on that.
Glad to help.
he Bible has nothing to do with this discussion.
It has everything to do with it in my opinion; and, many others.
then we would have to bring the Koran into all this.
The Koran actually backs up your make believe stance. Maybe you should hang-up your Catholic Alter boy outfit and become a Muslim.

@wildgrass said
A productive comment. Really moved the debate forward.

@jj-adams said
Is a great microcosm of Right v left...Conservative v liberal,,,,,,,Republican v democrat.......you know, the thing, man...
I notice it's been the same dozen or so libbies versus a plethora of righties over the last 20 years.