@sonhouse saidOK, you are right. I said 'pay off" in my haste, I am very sorry.
@AverageJoe1
And you know full well the student loan program does NOT pay them off, it takes some of it away, maybe 20% or so. So once again kiss my smelly ass and I hope it tastes good when you do.
So please answer my question, if Trump ignored SCOTUS and applied thousands treasury dollars to reduce the indebtedness of these various borrowers who signed promissory notes, would you find fault with that?
Would you be mad if Trump did that? If Trump did that, would you be upset and want him charged with violating the court order, and violating the rules of the Constitution?????
@shavixmir saidShav, seriously, how can it be wrong for the reasoning, the reasoning being that if a guy is president and makes huge decisions, he would refrain from doing so if it could get him in trouble later. Shav, he would be paralyzed.
It’s a completely insane ruling in a democratic system.
Basically, authoritarian rule.
Madness.
Biden can now “officially” sanction the extermination of trump and not be persecuted for it.
Who the fvck thinks up this sort of garbage?
He can not operate freely to make split decisions, maybe someone would die with a decision he makes at 3AM, whatever.
You think that his is not a good basis for their finding as they did? So you think presidents should live in fear, being sure every minute that he is acting 'within the law'.?
@AverageJoe1 saidBecause EVERYONE has to be accountable.
Shav, seriously, how can it be wrong for the reasoning, the reasoning being that if a guy is president and makes huge decisions, he would refrain from doing so if it could get him in trouble later. Shav, he would be paralyzed.
He can not operate freely to make split decisions, maybe someone would die with a decision he makes at 3AM, whatever.
You think that his i ...[text shortened]... think presidents should live in fear, being sure every minute that he is acting 'within the law'.?
The role of a leader is the executive. His choices should not be law, they should be weighed and agreed upon by the elected chambers.
If the executive power is immune, you have, defacto, created a dictatorship.
Do you want a Biden being able to order the extermination of trump? Do you want Biden being able to disolve the supreme court and just appoint it with cronies? Do you want Biden being able to annul election results with a click of his fingers?
How healthy is that? That is the path the supreme court has now led you on.
If you can’t see this, you are terribly naieve.
Seriously Joe, this is the most bat-💩 crazy ruling you can imagine.
Your only hope is that Biden or the chambers manage to change the law, so the supreme court has to re-rule on this sordid affair.
Because your next president may well be a narccisist, and he will not offer any sanity or constructive solution to this mess.
No matter your political leanings, this is not a decision you should support.
@AverageJoe1
You know, in your frothing giddyness over the fact Trump will LITERALLY be a king if he is elected because of the treasonous ruling by SCOTUS today, there is one thing you are overlooking in your joy:
The fact is that ruling of today makes BIDEN a king RIGHT NOW and can do ANYTHING AND is TOTALLY immune BECAUSE he is in office RIGHT now, so hang on to your hats and hope he DOESN'T do what Trump WILL do the day he takes office if we by some horrible chance actually elect him.
But don't lose hope, even if Trump is NOT elected the SCOTUS decision will not be overturned any time soon so another ruthless repub like DeSantis may take the throne and you will have a real repub king, not a hypothetical king but a REAL king with EXACTLY the same power as kings of 300 years ago, the power to do ANYTHING with NO repercussion and that aside, which will be in AT LEAST 2028 you better fear what may happen TODAY because NOW we really have a KING and his name happens to be BIDEN.
So I hope he uses that power to get rid of those asssholes on SCOTUS who made this treasonous ruling today, they have upended any semblance of democracy here and you want the DEFINITION of democracy?
THERE IS NO PRESENT DEFINITION OF DEMOCRACY because it is out the window now, we have an actual king right here and right now, KING BIDEN.
He will be within his legal power to assassinate Trump AND the rest of his cabal like Jim Jordan, Mike Johnson, MTG, Vance, Gramcracker, and the rest of them, that is within his LEGALLY prescribed power, so you better fear this next 4 months and you better HOPE Trump wins so he can exact revenge on dems the same way Biden COULD assassinate ANYONE RIGHT NOW THIS VERY INSTANT.
Don't forget also, if Biden so chooses HE can be the one making sure ONLY dems keep getting in office and assassinate SCOTUS members also and put in his own so FEAR today because it might not turn out the way you envisioned.
ALL BOW TO THE NEW KING BIDEN.
AND any other democrat POTUS, of course if Trump gets in all that will be out the window and the ones ACTUALLY assassinated will be Shiff and the rest of the ones who brought forth the impeachments and Col Vindman for daring to speak truth to power about the phone call to Zelinski, 'get me dirt on Biden or you can kiss your half bil in military aid goodbye', yep THAT phone call and the retribution Trump can unleash even if he doesn't actually pull a Putin and LITERALLY assassinate anyone, he can FORCE the DOJ to arrest ALL the dems he considers enemies and throw DOZENS of them in jail and BTW release ALL those in jail now like all the hundreds involved with Jan 6 and all the media folks who criticized him like Jimmy Kimmel or Racheal Maddow or Lawrence O'Donnell or Joy Reid or Velshi, he could disappear ALL of them and shut down MSNBC, CBS, CNN and ALL the broadcasters daring to criticize him.
And OF COURSE you will say that is a GREAT thing, we don't have to listen to all those asssholes saying how bad Trump is because he is ABSOLUTELY right to get rid of those traitors.
Just remember, before all that takes place we have a king RIGHT NOW, ALREADY elected, the newly minted KING BIDEN.
I hope that puts some much needed fear in YOUR hearts ALL you ultrarightwingnuts who think it is a GREAT thing to have a king. Now maybe you will find out what a REAL king can do.
And you will of course go, Biden is a puppet so nothing like that will be allowed. Except for the fact the puppet is now MASTER above ALL the puppet masters and don't forget that EVER.
Of course if Trump is by some draconian horror elected our democracy will be gone and maybe forever, the end of the American experiment, it has suffered a possible death blow TODAY and there will be real consequences to come for EVERYONE INCLUDING you faithful Trumpite ultrarightwingnuts who have already kissed the Trump ring.
It will not be as great as you assume it will be because you only THINK you know Trump, in reality you don't know the depths of his depravity till it will become obvious even to YOU but of course WAY too late, JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH HITLER, now Trump will have EXACTLY the power of Hitler now that he doesn't even have to engineer another takeover, it will be part of his office to do what he wants, put in place all the yes men he wants to do his bidding to LITERALLY told to pledge allegiance to Trump and Trump alone. THAT is what you WILL get if he is elected.
If Biden is elected he for sure WON'T assassinate anyone but you can be sure he will get the SCOTUS ruling reversed and restore actual democracy here which we have now LITERALLY lost.
So good luck with your giddyness.
NOW we are not talking about HYPOTHETICAL POTUS power we are talking about REAL POTUS with the power of a king GIVEN to them by SCOTUS, so watch out for what you wish for, it might come back to bite you in the ass.
@sonhouse saidJust when I thought your TDS had peaked you send it several levels higher, I hope trump wins just to see the top of your head fly off completely.
@AverageJoe1
You know, in your frothing giddyness over the fact Trump will LITERALLY be a king if he is elected because of the treasonous ruling by SCOTUS today, there is one thing you are overlooking in your joy:
The fact is that ruling of today makes BIDEN a king RIGHT NOW and can do ANYTHING AND is TOTALLY immune BECAUSE he is in office RIGHT now, so hang on to your h ...[text shortened]... EN to them by SCOTUS, so watch out for what you wish for, it might come back to bite you in the ass.
In a landmark victory for Joe Biden, the SCOTUS has determined that an ex-president enjoys perpetual immunity for crimes committed while in office, so long as said crimes were pursuant to "official" business of his office. Biden's path to victory on Nov. 4, 2024 is now clear: send the FBI to Mar-A-Lago again on any pretext (planting another purloined top secret document, for example), and have the FBI assassinate Trump -- with full immunity, since, quite obviously, staying in office pertains to the "official" business of being in office -- on or about Nov. 1st, which won't give the GOP time to field another candidate. So, all you Magats get used to the idea of Biden being your president for quite a while yet, until he keels over -- then it'll be Harris. Hurrah for the SCOTUS !
@divegeester saidExactly! So if Biden anticipates a possible future Trump Presidency to be anti democratic and bad for America, can he invoke the Bush Doctrine and pre-emptively get Seal Team 7 to drag Trump off into the wilderness and dispose of his sorry ass there?
I don’t understand all the ins and outs of this SCOTUS decision, but it doesn’t look like a good idea to permit a sitting President to be exempt from the law and prosecution. It appears to me to be another step along the way to America one day becoming a dictatorship.
On what basis then would the Supreme Court deny Biden immunity?
@moonbus saidno no no, Biden can't do that. This decision is obviously only meant for a republican president, Trump specifically. It is implied that a democrat shouldn't do that, scout's honor. Even if they technically can. But they shouldn't.
In a landmark victory for Joe Biden, the SCOTUS has determined that an ex-president enjoys perpetual immunity for crimes committed while in office, so long as said crimes were pursuant to "official" business of his office. Biden's path to victory on Nov. 4, 2024 is now clear: send the FBI to Mar-A-Lago again on any pretext (planting another purloined top secret document, for ...[text shortened]... resident for quite a while yet, until he keels over -- then it'll be Harris. Hurrah for the SCOTUS !
This joins a long list of "wtf, this is actually legal" or "common the spirit of this law is obvious,. don't do it" rules/loopholes that the Democrats always respect and the republicans always abuse.
@Zahlanzi saidIt’s a very slippery slope.
no no no, Biden can't do that. This decision is obviously only meant for a republican president, Trump specifically. It is implied that a democrat shouldn't do that, scout's honor. Even if they technically can. But they shouldn't.
This joins a long list of "wtf, this is actually legal" or "common the spirit of this law is obvious,. don't do it" rules/loopholes that the Democrats always respect and the republicans always abuse.
Someone needs to shoot thise justices and replace them with sane people.
@sonhouse saidTwo responses to you fellers. First, for many of the reasons you state, mostly silly, I have always said we should have 3 presidents, ....a small version of a supreme court to make decisions. It totally get rid of such dangers. 2 out of the 3 could decide to push the red button. Not one mental case. Biden is a mental case. Now is when you say No He's Not, and such as that.
@AverageJoe1
You know, in your frothing giddyness over the fact Trump will LITERALLY be a king if he is elected because of the treasonous ruling by SCOTUS today, there is one thing you are overlooking in your joy:
The fact is that ruling of today makes BIDEN a king RIGHT NOW and can do ANYTHING AND is TOTALLY immune BECAUSE he is in office RIGHT now, so hang on to your h ...[text shortened]... EN to them by SCOTUS, so watch out for what you wish for, it might come back to bite you in the ass.
Secondly, you are all using Biden as an example, he is a walking analogy. He is abnormal. If he were the great Harry Truman or Eisenhower with their wits, we would not be having this discussion. Biden's actions have hurt people. I submit that Trump has not hurt people.
Seriously Joe, this is the most bat-💩 crazy ruling you can imagine.3 more things: You say that 9 learned judges are misinterpreting the Constitution after they studied it for a month. A bit of a stretch, Shav. You right, they wrong?
Your only hope is that Biden or the chambers manage to change the law, so the supreme court has to re-rule on this sordid affair.
Because your next president may well be a narccisist, and he will not offer any sanity or constructive solution to this mess.
Change the law? 'Hope' that the law (the constitution) should be changed?. I don't hope that at all. The thing works for 250 years? You liberal meenies want to change it ....why? Because you don't like it when they tell you what it says? Are you not listening to your self? Did you tell your Pub buddies last night how ridiculous AOC is? No, I guess not. Whew.
Most presidents, like Obama and Clinton, and the metrosexual Newsome-in-the-mirror, are narcissists. So what in the Hell are we going to do to fix that!!?!??!?!
@AverageJoe1 saidI submit that you cannot read. Or you don’t comprehend what you read. Or that an alien’s got its hand up your arse, ate your brains and is using you like a fvck muppet.
Two responses to you fellers. First, for many of the reasons you state, mostly silly, I have always said we should have 3 presidents, ....a small version of a supreme court to make decisions. It totally get rid of such dangers. 2 out of the 3 could decide to push the red button. Not one mental case. Biden is a mental case. Now is when you say No He's Not, and such ...[text shortened]... having this discussion. Biden's actions have hurt people. I submit that Trump has not hurt people.